The Time Bubble Theory

funyun · Feb 25, 2004

time said:
"Fools cuz they didn't know that evidence existed that they couldn't have possibly known existed until it was found"
I think he meant that it was cuz they didn't exist even after they were found!

Possibly. It's hard to tell what the hell he's trying to say.

There is, however, planty of evidence that at least a few species of dinosaurs evolved into birds.

time · Feb 25, 2004

"I think modern cosmology is safe"
Actually it's guaranteed to soon be exinct! It is predicated on a lie! It wasn't millions of years or billions, it was thousands! If I can't slay it sooner, Jesus will take care of it! The bible tells me so! 'Time' for it to go out with a big bang! (or a whimper for all I care!)

time · Feb 25, 2004

"like many creationist organizations have done with their "evidence for a young earth"
Really?

funyun · Feb 25, 2004

time said:
"I think modern cosmology is safe"
Actually it's guaranteed to soon be exinct! It is predicated on a lie! It wasn't millions of years or billions, it was thousands! If I can't slay it sooner, Jesus will take care of it! The bible tells me so! 'Time' for it to go out with a big bang! (or a whimper for all I care!)

Funny, I think the same thing of organized religion.

Aggie · Feb 25, 2004

time said:
"This could only happen if God was deliberately trying to fool us by making the interface between our bubble and the rest of the universe alter this information to make it look like our laws of physics were also applicable outside of it"
If He was trying to fool us, why would He spell it out in black and white, and red, exactly how long ago it was in our time? If the laws of phsics must be so interwoven with time to exist at all, how could there be coming a new world where time shall be no more? Does that mean the atoms in New Jerusalem (1500 mile high golden city the bible speaks of) or the new earth will be defective somehow, according to your theories?

Whether or not you believe the Bible is none of my business, but when I was 17 and 18 (I was a Christian until 19) I had two different theories, both of which are possible:

One: The new heaven/earth will not be physical in the way we think of physical, but exist outside of time in the same way that God does. Time will not pass there, we will not have bodies, and there will not be atoms.

Two: The new Jerusalem will be either at place in our current universe that is currently inaccessable to us, or in a new universe in which space and time have been re-created. In either of these two situations, there could still be atoms, but our bodies would have to be signifigantly different from their current forms in order for us to be immortal.

Both of these rely on our spirits being eternal. Our bodies definitely aren't.

If you don't like either of these theories, you can also look for a new religion. Christianity isn't the only choice, and a lot of the other options offer eternal life in paradise as well. You can see whether the other religious texts are more consistent with the physical world than the Bible... it might be a good idea.

time · Feb 25, 2004

"Funny, I think the same thing of organized religion"
Well we'll have to weigh in your thoughts, and set them against the Bible, and God's thoughts, and make some kind of decision.

Arikay · Feb 25, 2004

Yep. Just take a look at the "evidence of creation" thread, many of the points he used are still treated as truth by many creationist groups even though some of them have been known to be false for longer than the poster has been born. Not exactly the most christian thing to do by the creationist groups, promoting false information that is, but I guess "lying for Christ" is ok.

If you are so sure about your theory taking down modern cosmology, where is the evidence?

time said:
"like many creationist organizations have done with their "evidence for a young earth"
Really?

Arikay · Feb 25, 2004

Oh, and you do realize that the beginings of the big bang theory was created by a christian priest, right?

time · Feb 25, 2004

". In either of these two situations, there could still be atoms, but our bodies would have to be signifigantly different from their current forms in order for us to be immortal." Sounds reasonable to me, since we will be able to walk through walls! But New Jerusalem, the Headquarters of God Himself, will certainly be landing right here on this old earth. It tells us what its made of, how tall and wide it is, who will live there. It also says the animals will be harmless, and friendly there, that there are trees, a river etc. So it's not a phantom city of any kind, or in some strange place!
"Christianity isn't the only choice"---
Well not for me. I like Love as a God. I also don't think His Son died for nothing. Nor sprung up from the grave then up into the heavens for nothing. He said He has gone to prepare a place for us. Since you were a believer in Jesus early on, I believe He will never leave nor forsake thee. "Even though we are faithless, yet He abideth faithful"

time · Feb 25, 2004

"Oh, and you do realize that the beginings of the big bang theory was created by a christian priest, right?"
No I didn't. I knew they should let those poor guys marry! He might've got some bang rather than just dream of some imaginary big one!

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 25, 2004

time said:
"What predictions does the bubble theory make"
That people of the 'bubble' would operate in time. We do! That the outside the 'bubble' cosmic activity, which was all part of a young creation (which it is!) -would be interpreted by the time restricted people inside the bubble, as needing millions of years to happen. (which many people do say of the cosmos!)

But there is no evidence for a young creation.

time · Feb 25, 2004

"If you are so sure about your theory taking down modern cosmology, where is the evidence?"
I don't know I would be the fortunate one to do the honors. I wish! But it's days are numbered, the whole earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord. All thy children shall be taught of the Lord. etc. etc.
You know, right now I'm stashing away the evidence for a while, in a dusty cupboard, beside the missing link! (ha)

Arikay · Feb 25, 2004

You really need to learn history and science a bit more. The big bang was created as a competing theory to the steady state theory, the steady state theory fits much less with christianity. The big bang theory helps christianity, so I find it funny that creationists want to try to destroy it.

time · Feb 25, 2004

"But there is no evidence for a young creation"
It all depends on how we interpret the evidences all around us! If we assume God was a liar, well, things start to look deathly old! But they aren't. Then again, some are not as young as they used to be.

Arikay · Feb 25, 2004

ah, yes the "its just how you interpret it" the funny thing is, that I have yet to have someone show me how to interpret the evidence, they always seem to stop talking about it when I ask.

How does an old creation make god a liar?

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 25, 2004

time said:
"The hypothesis has no scientific motivation that I can see. We haven't found any evidence that the rest of the Universe obeys different physical laws than the Earth. " How would you know if time applied beyond our immediate dimension? By how long something appears to take to do something?

If time were moving faster outside our solar system, all light coming to the solar system would be blue-shifted, bombarding the Earth with very high energy radiation. Since this doesn't happen, the processes would have to be adjusted somehow to make them appear normal. This adjustment would become larger as the objects became farther away. It would be very large and have to be finely tuned. This would require the divine intention to deceive, which runs counter to Christian conception of Gods.

In your attempts to perserve a literal interpretation of Genesis, you are making God into the Father of Lies.

time · Feb 25, 2004

"The big bang theory helps christianity"
Hey, help like that I don't need! Some crackpot theory that says things exploded for no apparent reason, billions of years ago. And the other dream state theory doesn't sound any better. Phooey! I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.
That kind of so called history and so called science can take a hike. I don't consider the amount of Godless nonscense we gobble down to be educational.

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 25, 2004

time said:
"Scientific hypotheses are motivated by evidence and make testable predictions which can be confirmed or falsified"
Well it's only existed since yesterday, so I may nee a little time here. Also, since this I thought was a christian board, I was kinda hoping for a few tips. (So hard to falsify things if they're true.)

Yes, true things are impossible to falsify. That is why hypotheses whose predictions are confirmed instead of falsified are considered reliable.

time · Feb 25, 2004

"ah, yes the "its just how you interpret it" the funny thing is, that I have yet to have someone show me how to interpret the evidence, they always seem to stop talking about it when I ask"
Just believe in Jesus, and that He made it like He said. Then you can see things a lot clearer. You might even have some help understanding things in this world full of deceit.

Arikay · Feb 25, 2004

um, the big bang doesn't really say anything "exploded." How much research have you actually done on the big bang?

Why does an old creation make god a liar?

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