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Let's bottom-line this silly conversation and get it over with.I don't work in ER. Not all psychiatric assessments take place in the ER.
Of course.Let's bottom-line this silly conversation and get it over with.
Were you there when he came in?
No?
Then is it okay with you if I believe his story?
AV, this never happened - I know it, and you know it.I don't think he asked those questions from a faith perspective.
He was asked from a psychiatric perspective.
I don't think asking someone if they're ready to die, or if the Devil is out to get us, is the same as asking someone what faith they believe in.
If you know, correctly and with certainty, what someone will do at some future time, then that person cannot do otherwise without contradicting your certain knowledge. If that person cannot do otherwise, they do not have a choice.That would mean looking at the future means we arrange all the future. No. If we are not limited by time, and know the future, it does not mean that we forced men to make the trillions of decisions they made along the way.
If you know, correctly and with certainty, what someone will do at some future time, then that person cannot do otherwise without contradicting your certain knowledge. If that person cannot do otherwise, they do not have a choice.
It's simple logic.
P1. For B to have a choice, B must be able to do either Y or other than Y at time X.
P2. A knows that B will do Y at time X.
P3. A is correct.
P4. B cannot do other than Y at time X (P2 & P3).
C. B does not have a choice to do other than Y at time X.
False. They make choices to end up where we know they will go.If you know, correctly and with certainty, what someone will do at some future time, then that person cannot do otherwise without contradicting your certain knowledge. If that person cannot do otherwise, they do not have a choice.
If you are up on a cliff overlooking a seaside path that has a fork in it, you may see a person on it. If they chose the one path in the fork, they will end up at the beach, the other path takes them to a parking lot far from the beach. You see them take the beach path, so you know they are ending up there. They chose the path.It's simple logic.
P1. For B to have a choice, B must be able to do either Y or other than Y at time X.
P2. A knows that B will do Y at time X.
P3. A is correct.
P4. B cannot do other than Y at time X (P2 & P3).
C. B does not have a choice to do other than Y at time X.
False. They make choices to end up where we know they will go.
If you are up on a cliff overlooking a seaside path that has a fork in it, you may see a person on it. If they chose the one path in the fork, they will end up at the beach, the other path takes them to a parking lot far from the beach. You see them take the beach path, so you know they are ending up there. They chose the path.
Irrelevant; the issue is prior knowledge.If you are up on a cliff overlooking a seaside path that has a fork in it, you may see a person on it. If they chose the one path in the fork, they will end up at the beach, the other path takes them to a parking lot far from the beach. You see them take the beach path, so you know they are ending up there. They chose the path.
False. Knowing the end of the path, does not mean we force someone to choose one.Completely irrelevant. As an account of divine omniscience that is about as lame as it gets.
False. The issue is whether one affects the decision, not whether one knows the outcome of the free free free free free choice made.Irrelevant; the issue is prior knowledge.
I see you think mathematically. Well, if the choice is 2, plus the freedom to chose is 2, then the outcome is 4. Knowing the math does not mean we stack the numbers. How would a nurse and a mom peaking at an an ultrasound to know the sex of a baby be accused of determining the sex? They have prior knowledge!If you want to show me wrong, you need to show one or more of the premises to be wrong in the syllogism I posted. You clearly agree with the first three, so you need to show how P4 (it's really a conclusion) is not a logical consequence of P1, P2, and P3.
False. Knowing the end of the path, does not mean we force someone to choose one.
Just because He knows, doesn't mean He caused me to chose. The choice was with me.God is omniscient, and he has known all things since before the creation of the Earth. He didn't watch Joab heading in Amassa's direction and think, "Oh my gosh, I think he is going to stab him."
By no stretch of the imagination is that omniscience, or, if it is, I am omniscient.
Just because He knows, doesn't mean He caused me to chose. The choice was with me.
This indicates that you don't understand the difference between foreknowledge and hindsight, and the implications of that difference.False. The issue is whether one affects the decision, not whether one knows the outcome of the free free free free free choice made.
Logic is not mathematics. Your 'calculation' is meaningless.I see you think mathematically. Well, if the choice is 2, plus the freedom to chose is 2, then the outcome is 4. Knowing the math does not mean we stack the numbers.
Another irrelevant example that misses the point. It's beginning to look like deliberate obfuscation.How would a nurse and a mom peaking at an an ultrasound to know the sex of a baby be accused of determining the sex? They have prior knowledge!
Did God know if you would be saved before He created the universe? Could God have created a universe where that outcome would be different?Just because He knows, doesn't mean He caused me to chose. The choice was with me.
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