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Salt may work with beer., but no with wine.So, chaver, did you ever find the quote and if so, where? I would be grateful if you might share it in context.As you know, some volumes are downright voluminous!
Note: Humor Warning! The above might be purposefully obtuse. If accidentally ingested, immediately apply a grain of salt.
Shabbat Shalom רֵעֶךָVery well then. But I'll need time, and reminder to do so. Been multitasking a bit much before pesach.
Firstly would be the lineage of efraym, alongside the blessing from their grandfather.
Greater light serving the lesser light, sun and moon relevancy to elder and younger twins and more.
וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה לָהּ, שְׁנֵי גֹיִים בְּבִטְנֵךְ, וּשְׁנֵי לְאֻמִּים, מִמֵּעַיִךְ יִפָּרֵדוּ; וּלְאֹם מִלְאֹם יֶאֱמָץ, וְרַב יַעֲבֹד צָעִיר. 23 And the LORD said unto her: Two nations are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Esau here is a sun worshiping hunter. While his brother studies in The shade of a moon. Foreshadowing a blessing given from grandfather to efraym.
וַיְמָאֵן אָבִיו, וַיֹּאמֶר יָדַעְתִּי בְנִי יָדַעְתִּי--גַּם-הוּא יִהְיֶה-לְּעָם, וְגַם-הוּא יִגְדָּל; וְאוּלָם, אָחִיו הַקָּטֹן יִגְדַּל מִמֶּנּוּ, וְזַרְעוֹ, יִהְיֶה מְלֹא-הַגּוֹיִם. 19 And his father refused, and said: 'I know it, my son, I know it; he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; howbeit his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.' כ וַיְבָרְכֵם בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא, לֵאמוֹר, בְּךָ יְבָרֵךְ יִשְׂרָאֵל לֵאמֹר, יְשִׂמְךָ אֱלֹהִים כְּאֶפְרַיִם וְכִמְנַשֶּׁה; וַיָּשֶׂם אֶת-אֶפְרַיִם, לִפְנֵי מְנַשֶּׁה. 20 And he blessed them that day, saying: 'By thee shall Israel bless, saying: God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh.' And he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
A blessing of seed upon a semetic nation.! An order of creation in evenings light before daylight.
Nothing to do with the Greek's and Roman's whom were historically known to be from the lineage of esau(edom) the hunter born from a dog according to his decendants. Something of which that philo touched upon in his annals.
Who calls their mother a Dog?
There were no niqqud in the time of Yahshua; and Yahshua quoted the LXX more often than he quoted the MT. In other words, he quoted scripture that can't be found in the MT. The Masorites, in true Pharisee tradition, also completely rejected the Torah found in Jubilees, and well as the Book of Enoch. Yahshua did not reject this scripture.
The earliest manuscripts that we have give us the Greek, ιωτα, and κεραια. To purport that these words describe niqqud that did not yet exist, is stretching conjecture beyond logic.
YHWH entrusted the Zadokites to interpret scripture, not the Pharisees.
I've been studying the scrolls for many many years now. I have never seen one that bore niqqud; and I have read that none of them bore niqqud.You might want to look into the Dead Sea scrolls, which indeed bore Niqqud, though not considered Masoretic, but Babylonian/Yemeni
I try to avoid building my understanding of scripture on words and definitions that were invented by biased translators.The word Tittle lit., means Diacritic Mark.
If this was directed toward me; I certainly didn't mean to judge you. I appreciate you Brother. Let us gather in his kadosh name, to seek out his truth in fellowship.Be careful with what מסורה Messure you מסורה Measure, for the same will be מסורה Measured out to you.
What did you suppose Yeshuah was referring to when he said מסורה? If not the Scriptures?!?
My sentiments exactly.As early as the 9th century, Natronai II ben-Hilai (q.v.), in reply to the question whether it is lawful to put the points to the synagogal scrolls of the Pentateuch, distinctly declared that since the law, as given to Moses on Sinai, had no points, and the points are not Sinaitic (i.e. sacred), having been invented by the sages, and put down as signs for the reader; and, moreover, since it is prohibited to us to make any additions, on our own cogitations, lest we transgress the command ‘ Ye shall not add,' etc. (Deuteronomy 4:2); hence we must not put the points to the scrolls of the law."
Hag Samech!Very well then. But I'll need time, and reminder to do so. Been multitasking a bit much before pesach.
Firstly would be the lineage of efraym, alongside the blessing from their grandfather.
Greater light serving the lesser light, sun and moon relevancy to elder and younger twins and more.
וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה לָהּ, שְׁנֵי גֹיִים בְּבִטְנֵךְ, וּשְׁנֵי לְאֻמִּים, מִמֵּעַיִךְ יִפָּרֵדוּ; וּלְאֹם מִלְאֹם יֶאֱמָץ, וְרַב יַעֲבֹד צָעִיר. 23 And the LORD said unto her: Two nations are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Esau here is a sun worshiping hunter. While his brother studies in The shade of a moon. Foreshadowing a blessing given from grandfather to efraym.
וַיְמָאֵן אָבִיו, וַיֹּאמֶר יָדַעְתִּי בְנִי יָדַעְתִּי--גַּם-הוּא יִהְיֶה-לְּעָם, וְגַם-הוּא יִגְדָּל; וְאוּלָם, אָחִיו הַקָּטֹן יִגְדַּל מִמֶּנּוּ, וְזַרְעוֹ, יִהְיֶה מְלֹא-הַגּוֹיִם. 19 And his father refused, and said: 'I know it, my son, I know it; he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; howbeit his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.' כ וַיְבָרְכֵם בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא, לֵאמוֹר, בְּךָ יְבָרֵךְ יִשְׂרָאֵל לֵאמֹר, יְשִׂמְךָ אֱלֹהִים כְּאֶפְרַיִם וְכִמְנַשֶּׁה; וַיָּשֶׂם אֶת-אֶפְרַיִם, לִפְנֵי מְנַשֶּׁה. 20 And he blessed them that day, saying: 'By thee shall Israel bless, saying: God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh.' And he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
A blessing of seed upon a semetic nation.! An order of creation in evenings light before daylight.
Nothing to do with the Greek's and Roman's whom were historically known to be from the lineage of esau(edom) the hunter born from a dog according to his decendants. Something of which that philo touched upon in his annals.
Who calls their mother a Dog?
I've been studying the scrolls for many many years now. I have never seen one that bore niqqud; and I have read that none of them bore niqqud.
I've found this resource very useful; as you can zoom in on the images, and get a really close look:
The Dead Sea Scrolls - The Digital Library
The Leon Levy Dead Sea Scrolls Digital Library offers an exceptional encounter with antiquity. Using the world's most advanced imaging technology, the Digital Library preserves thousands of scroll fragments, including the oldest known copies of biblical texts, now accessible to the...www.deadseascrolls.org.il
Sample from 4Q41:
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If you can produce a Q manuscript that bears niqqud; please give me the Q number of that manuscript; so that I can add it to my files on this subject.
If this was directed toward me; I certainly didn't mean to judge you. I appreciate you Brother. Let us gather in his kadosh name, to seek out his truth in fellowship.
(CLV) Mt 18:20
For where two or three are, gathered in My name, there am I in the midst of them."
(CLV) Pr 27:17
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the acumen of his associate.
Shabbat shalom!
I try to avoid building my understanding of scripture on words and definitions that were invented by biased translators.
What word is actually used in scripture? κεραια
Noun
κεραίᾱ • (keraíā) f (genitive κεραίᾱς); first declension
- antennae of the crayfish or of insect
- anything projecting like a horn, hence:
- (nautical) yardarm
- projecting beam of a crane
- projecting parts of the huckle bone
- branching stake of wood, used as a pale in palisades
- (in the plural, astronomy) horns of the moon
- (in writing) apex of a letter
- leg of a pair of compasses
- projecting spur of a mountain
- (anatomy) supposed teat-like projections inside the womb
- bow made of horn
Now that we have a basic understanding of what scripture actually says; it will be easier for us to better understand this explanation:
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What is a jot? What is a tittle? | GotQuestions.org
What is a jot? What is a tittle? What does it mean that neither a jot nor a tittle will disappear from God’s Law?www.gotquestions.org
I noticed in the caption of your link a reference to …the Oldest copies of the Hebrew Script…, which everyone here should know, the Earliest copies Do not bare diacritic amendments, the Earliest documents which Do contain diacritics however happen to come from out of Babylon, whence the Yemeni Jews acquired the practice;
I live in a remote area where internet access is very limited, subsequently I am unable to locate a library of the Qumran Scrolls, the best I can do at the moment is direct you to a Quora site which touches on the matter with a copy of a Qumran Scroll showing diacritics, because I am not a subscriber to Quora I am unable to gain full access, but that reference most likely also references the Q# of that particular parchment, if you or someone else here happens to be a subscriber, they would be able to verify;
The question being answered is “Do the Dead Sea Scrolls have Vowels?” And the subscriber which posted the #1 answer provided examples and a fairly informative response, which was co-signed by other subscribers who were familiar with the subject at hand;
Go to Google and type in, do the Dead Sea scrolls have Niqqud, the Quora reference should be at the top of the responses.
If you are talking about stagnated in stating facts, and citing sources, and providing evidence for your review, to back my assertions; then I might agree.You are only rehearsing the limited understanding and best guess of those whose understanding is stagnated;
The "pejorative" was put to the Greeks and Roman's, romulus and remus born of a dog/wolf by their own mythos claim. The connection is an apparent inference to esau and his decendants. Hence the womans response when called a dog, was that they eat table scraps from ya'akov. A direct response relative to the account of selling a birthright for a meal. [ wolf shall lie with the lamb ] esau and ya'akov meeting once more in their decendants.Hag Samech!
Take your time. I've been very busy as well.
Try as I might, I cannot find the references to either Sun or Moon. Where pray tell is that written? As to the reference to the son of a female dog, wasn't that the pejorative reserved for all gentiles before the advent of Messiah Yeshua? You haven't made any sense to my way of understanding. What exactly are you saying here?
יד וַיַּעַשׂ אֶת-אֵילִים, שִׁשִּׁים אַמָּה; וְאֶל-אֵיל, הֶחָצֵר, הַשַּׁעַר, סָבִיב סָבִיב. | 14 He made also posts of threescore cubits; even unto the posts of the court in the gates round about |
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