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The Soul.. does it exist?

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From my theology:

"The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension."

So it matters not what hemisphere of the brain choices come from, the soul is separate and in the high concious borderland between the material and spiritual.
 
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Which are processes of the body & brain - and cease when the body dies?

If not, what?

Soul = Adamic mind, will, emotions after disobedience. The Spiritual connection to God vanished. The soulish nature thus acquired is the sinful nature. It will hang around until the demise of the individual. See John 14:6, John 3:16-17, John 3:3, John 5:24, Romans 10:8-13, Ephesians 2:8-9 for the "change" and what happens to some of us.
 
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Close, but no cigar.
 
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Original sin theory odopted by the Hebrews from the Persians.
 
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Soul = Adamic mind, will, emotions after disobedience. The Spiritual connection to God vanished. The soulish nature thus acquired is the sinful nature. It will hang around until the demise of the individual.
If 'hang around' means persist or exist, that matches modern scientific understanding nicely. Somehow I suspect it means something different.

See John 14:6, John 3:16-17, John 3:3, John 5:24, Romans 10:8-13, Ephesians 2:8-9 for the "change" and what happens to some of us.
I see no mention of the soul, just vague talk of possible 'salvation', whatever they mean by that.
 
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Where did you hear that?

Moses was a reformer of beliefs and practices that the descendants of Abraham and those they adopted along the way already had. Persia or Mesopotamia would be the origin o these ancient ideas. They were common in most religions.
 
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Moses was a reformer of beliefs and practices that the descendants of Abraham and those they adopted along the way already had. Persia or Mesopotamia would be the origin o these ancient ideas. They were common in most religions.

I don't think so. There are two situations recognized in other religions:

1. Original sin is true. But nothing can do about it. (e.g. Egyptian religion, Moses grew up)
2. Original sin is false. (e.g. Islam, home region of Abraham)

However, both OT and NT, Christianity in combine, is the ONLY religion that admitted the original sin and also positively and successfully deal with the problem. This is unique and is found nowhere else.
 
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There has been much confusion regarding the soul. In an effort to resolve the issue for myself I began a personal study in 2005. I did a search for every word for soul in the Hebrew and Greek from Geneses to Revelation and discovered God's definition and explanation. The foundational definition is found in Gen 2:7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The word "soul" in the Hebrew is defined as a person, living being, individual, self, or creature.
Man became a living being. The living being is animated and has a life of his own given by God. The living person has a personal and unique life. The word soul means your life which is all encompassing and would naturally include the inner man or spirit man. The spirit man has a heart just like the natural man having a physical heart.

Most interpret the soul as being the mind, will and emotions. Although the soul/life would include the mind, will and emotions it's not proper or completely accurate to define the soul as the mind, will and emotions. For example if I were to visit your house I wouldn't say, I'll stop by your heating, plumbing and electrical systems tomorrow. I would say, I'll stop by your house tomorrow. The house of course would include the heating. plumbing and electrical systems. When we refer to the soul/life of a person we are also referring to the mind, will and emotions.

More specifically the mind, will and emotions are located in the heart of man according to the scriptures. The makeup or substance of the heart is spirit. The soul/life is also spirit matter for lack of a better word. In other words the substance of the soul is spirit.
 
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...The word "soul" in the Hebrew is defined as a person, living being, individual, self, or creature.
That's a meaning it had in English when I were a lad - people would say things like, "He's a gentle soul", meaning person. Not much used that way now.

...In other words the substance of the soul is spirit.
Is that 'substance' in the philosophical sense? in which case, what kind of substance is spirit, mental?
 
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Here it is again...... with a couple of additions:

Soul = Adamic mind, will emotions, products of brain. When Adam-Eve decided to do things their way, their Spiritual connection to God, their Creator, vanished. The nature thus acquired was now identified as sinful: wthout God, one is separated, lost. On their own, Adam-Eve acquired knowledge while accumulating experiences. However, that knowledge and those experiences were acquired separate and apart from God's purpose and will, the sinful nature in control. It will hang around in each of us living today, until the body that houses the brain will be embalmed and buried or cremated or for whatever reason, dead, done away with.

One has to proceed with caution when writing "spirit" (small s) or Spirit.

Check it out: Each of us can house a new, dynamic Spiritual Nature, one that will rejoice mightily when we Spirituallly depart this life, leaving dead brain behind.

The Bible records the perfect formula for that. Bible at the ready?

John 14:6. One eternal Way, Truth, Life.
John 3:16-17. No condemnation in Christ.
John 3:3. The Spiritual RE-birth.
John 5:24. It's eternal.
Romans 10:8-13. The confession.
Ephesians 2:8-9. The celebration.

See you there?
 
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FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Which are processes of the body & brain - and cease when the body dies?

If not, what?

I think the spirit of the age (no pun intended) is reductionist. If things are all made form the same elementary particles, they are all of one (physical) nature or substance.

Is that the only way of looking at things?

Is there no substantial difference between a brain waking and aware, or asleep or dead?

Where do we draw the lines? And why?

For instance:

The very notion that consciousness comes to an end, even though the atoms of the corpse are the same old atoms etc, seems to indicate theres possibly more to the story of consciousness than reductivism connotes. Can we say a substance (consciousness and mind) has emerged, or is it just the accidens that have changed whilst the substance remains physical?

If we choose to say that latter, that substance is physical if it contains atoms, is that "mere words" i.e. an artificial categorisation dependent on convention? Is so-called the all pervasive physical a natural kind in other words? Compelled by logic rather than social convention.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_kind)


The will, desire and intellect etc cannot be described in physical-atomic terms, but only folk psychological ones. "I desire that sandwich" being an example of something particle physics talk cannot capture. So where now? To the cafe or to the particle accelerator?

AFAIK physicists may say quantum mechanical (QM) uncertainties breach relativistic physics. So is relativity not primary, or is is that Einstein's relativity and gravity etc breach QM? Is gravity relevant to the discussion of substantiality? Is the gravity of a sandwich.... a new domain to be discussed in a new language? When we say "It all down to the same physical stuff!" what do we really mean?
 
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I view the soul as the very essence of my being, and while I would like to think it possesses my will (not necessarily emotions or memories though), it would probably make more sense to think maybe it's some kind of driving force that makes humanity what it is.

Though this is coming from someone who believes they're the spirit of a wolf incarnated into a human body. So who knows.
 
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Yes, it makes humanity what it is ....... man created in his own image, his own alternative, becoming lost, separated Spiritually from our Creator. The soul, or "heart", is mind, will, emotions, the flesh, the self in action, a function of brain. Without our Spiritual Connection, the brain seeks earth-bound solutions. The brain invents paradigms, follows them, then when confronted with error or an alternative, rejects it, or creates another paradigm. Eventually, these processes, unchallenged by the Word of God, lead to identifiers such as "pagan," "atheist," "cult," "agnostic," et al.

The challenge? Romans 10:8-13.
 
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