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The severity of the sin nature

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ristretto

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I am puzzled by the lack of severity of the sin nature. When Adam and eve sinned they got a sin nature, and God, who is in control, decided what that sin nature would be like. Compared to God's holiness, sin is very bad and God decided that Jesus had to die for our sins. But the sin nature is not so bad that the human race wiped themselves out. Even with this sin nature the human race continued to go on for thousands of years. Hitler and Stalin killed millions, but they didn't come close to wiping out the world. But I could argue that if God would leave this earth, then sin would go unchecked and the people would start killing each other till no one was left. Actually if God would leave this world then the devil would kill every human today. So regarding the severity and consequences of the sin nature, it just feels like humans are puppets on strings controlled by God. I think it might be explained by looking at sin for each person individually. The consequences of sin for an individual is in a way much worse than for a group of people. Like when one person rejects Christ, that is a severe consequence for only that person, but that doesn't mean the whole world is lost.
 
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I here about us getting this “sin nature” from Adam and Eve’s sin, but I do not see it. Adam and Eve appear to be just like me and everyone else. I also reason that since God made humans with the ability to obtain Godly type Love they have to be able to make a free will moral decision to at least accept God’s Love. In order to Love like God Loves out of individual choice to Love, the agent has the ability automatically to not Love or not accept God’s Love. That means the agent can sin. BUT more importantly a created agent appears to have to sin! The problem is not “sin” because all mature adult have sinned (including Adam and Eve), the problem is only comes with unforgiven sins and even more then that with the agent not fulfilling his objective while on earth. The agent is here on earth to obtain Godly type Love, so he can Love God and others. The easiest way we know to obtain Godly type Love is through accepting God’s Love in the form of accepting His forgiveness of our sins (the huge debt we owe). Luke 7 “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”. Sin becomes part of the process for humans to obtain Godly type Love, which is predicated on humans accepting God’s forgiveness. Adam and Eve did not obtain Godly type Love in the Garden situation (which is very understandable given the situation), but after sinning they could quit trying to maintain their close relationship with God through their own human ability to obey and start to rely on God’s Love/grace/mercy/forgiveness to obtain an eternal close relationship with God in heaven. By accepting God Love in the form of forgiveness, Adam and Eve would Love God and others (fulfilling their objective).
 
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I believe that sin is a byproduct of free will and is independent of adam and eve. If sin was dependent on the actions of adam and eve, then it seems to me that there would be no fallen angels, which is of course not the case.
 
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It is important to understand that humankind is a moral cesspool designed to demonstrate fully the sin of Lucifer and the angels. Being immortal from the beginning Lucifer and the angels cannot be killed, but neither can they be granted repentance and thus 'saved'. Eternal damnation is for them; cut off forever from the presence of God.

It is God's plan to restore that which was lost in the rebellion. It is called "the restitution of all things". God made man mortal, and then laid the sin of Lucifer upon him, crafting sin to reflect in a physical way what had been done to him and his kingdom spiritually.

Because man is mortal he can be killed, destroyed. But so can he be saved, through the resurrection of his soul. We are like clay. We can be shaped spiritually. Angels cannot and must live with their rebellious decision forever.

What many call free moral agency is really the ability to fight against our evil nature, by the choices that we make. God told Cain to "rule over" sin. It is by ruling over sin, with the help of God's spirit, that we are prepared to be part of the great restitution.

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