• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

The Scientific Method & Macroevolution?

Status
Not open for further replies.

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens


Hi there gang!

After a short stay in Purgatory, where I got to watch the goings on here without being able to comment -- I see that Wormwood has been sowing seeds of confusion -- again.

As the original post : Lines of Evidence reached the 1000 post mark and has begun to fizzle out as Lines of Evidence (2), I'd like to bring forward two questions which I believe might be worth considering:

A. WHAT EXACTLY IS: THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD?

B. WHAT IS THE PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF MACROEVOLUTION?
 

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,032
52,626
Guam
✟5,145,184.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
A. WHAT EXACTLY IS: THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD?
From amasci:

The scientific method is a joke.
B. WHAT IS THE PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF MACROEVOLUTION?
Believing you have all the time in the universe to take baby steps from Boston to L.A.
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens
From amasci:


The scientific method is a joke.

You have not yet stated whether the views expressed, in this cut-n-paste job, are ones you are willing to defend or not. Don't you think it might be better if you present your own thoughts, instead of posting this?

Believing you have all the time in the universe to take baby steps from Boston to L.A.

Would you please explain your quip, in a more exacting fashion?
 
Upvote 0

whois

rational
Mar 7, 2015
2,523
119
✟3,336.00
Faith
Non-Denom
As the original post : Lines of Evidence reached the 1000 post mark and has begun to fizzle out as Lines of Evidence (2), I'd like to bring forward two questions which I believe might be worth considering:

A. WHAT EXACTLY IS: THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD?
the "method" isn't exact in theory or practice.
it's a method of discovery, and you use it more than you can imagine.
it's a natural outgrowth of mans desire to know.
B. WHAT IS THE PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF MACROEVOLUTION?
apparently it means the result of accumulating changes, over the course of an indefinite time.
apparently, some species never "evolve".
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,032
52,626
Guam
✟5,145,184.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Don't you think it might be better if you present your own thoughts, instead of posting this?
What's this then?
The scientific method is a joke.
There's my own thoughts in a nutshell.
Would you please explain your quip, in a more exacting fashion?
Sure.

Here's the world's current understanding:
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens
the "method" isn't exact in theory or practice.
it's a method of discovery, and you use it more than you can imagine.
it's a natural outgrowth of mans desire to know.

The scientific method has it's limitations:

"... in science there is no 'knowledge', in the sense in which Plato and Aristotle understood the word, in the sense which implies finality; in science, we never have sufficient reason for the belief that we have attained the truth. ... This view means, furthermore, that we have no proofs in science (excepting, of course, pure mathematics and logic). In the empirical sciences, which alone can furnish us with information about the world we live in, proofs do not occur, if we mean by 'proof' an argument which establishes once and for ever the truth of a theory."
Sir Karl Popper, The Problem of Induction, 1953

apparently it means the result of accumulating changes, over the course of an indefinite time.
apparently, some species never "evolve".

A rather brief summary, but then I don't recall seeing your posts in the early part of Lines of Evidence. Try this on for size, as well as the link:

'....Macroevolution is evolution on the "grand scale" resulting in the origin of higher taxa. In evolutionary theory, macroevolution involves common ancestry, descent with modification, speciation, the genealogical relatedness of all life, transformation of species, and large scale functional and structural changes of populations through time, all at or above the species level (Freeman and Herron 2004; Futuyma 1998; Ridley 1993). ....'*

---
* 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens
What's this then?

There's my own thoughts in a nutshell.

It's very short. It's not very helpful. Perhaps you might explain why you think that the scientific method is (as you say) a joke?

Sure.

Here's the world's current understanding:

Wikipedia is good for some things, but not much good for science.
 
Upvote 0

MissRowy

Ms Snarky
Site Supporter
Oct 31, 2012
14,412
2,580
44
Western Sydney
✟272,832.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
AU-Labor
I agree. For science stuff you really need to get the scholarly and peer reviewed articles. And you have to read past the abstract.
Im doing a research subject this semester so forgive me if I start blabbering!
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,032
52,626
Guam
✟5,145,184.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
It's very short. It's not very helpful. Perhaps you might explain why you think that the scientific method is (as you say) a joke?
Sure.

Once again:
I'd say that about covers it.
Wikipedia is good for some things, but not much good for science.
I take it you don't support them monetarily?
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,032
52,626
Guam
✟5,145,184.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I agree. For science stuff you really need to get the scholarly and peer reviewed articles. And you have to read past the abstract.
Im doing a research subject this semester so forgive me if I start blabbering!
Science is way over my head.

I can't understand Wikipedia, let alone a peer-review article.
 
Upvote 0

MissRowy

Ms Snarky
Site Supporter
Oct 31, 2012
14,412
2,580
44
Western Sydney
✟272,832.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
AU-Labor
Sure.

Once again:

I'd say that about covers it.

I take it you don't support them monetarily?

Id be careful as people could take that comment the wrong way. I understand where you are coming from but some others may take it the wrong way.

Wikipedia does have its good points but not for science and I wouldnt rely on it for religious study either.
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens
I agree. For science stuff you really need to get the scholarly and peer reviewed articles. And you have to read past the abstract.
Im doing a research subject this semester so forgive me if I start blabbering!

Yes, absolutely "YES!"

No harm, blather away. Where and what are you studying?
 
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,032
52,626
Guam
✟5,145,184.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Wikipedia does have its good points but not for science and I wouldnt rely on it for religious study either.

I didn't know that.

To a person like me, just about anything a site like Wikipedia says sounds plausible, since I'm not science savvy.

I'd believe almost anything they said in the area of science.
 
Upvote 0

MissRowy

Ms Snarky
Site Supporter
Oct 31, 2012
14,412
2,580
44
Western Sydney
✟272,832.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
AU-Labor
Im studying Nursing at the University of Western Sydney and one of my subjects is Research Principles in Nursing & Midwifery so I need to be able to read articles and look beyond the abstract.

I also have a degree in Religious Studies so I can tell if they are accurate or not. My dream would be to do my PhD in Studies of Religion but not right now.
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens

Oh, back in the 70s I did a little semi-related nursing when I worked as a reception officer in the accident (emergency) unit. It wasn't "hands on" like the doctors and nurses, but I sure got a real sense of it. Of course, being a patient can do that too.
I was in para-military for a few years, and have done most of the First Aid course (at one time or the other) -- but it was all "hands on!" -- the academic side was more practical than something as nebulous as the scientific method, or for that matter something like Evolution.
Now days, one cannot do nursing or doctoring without a proper understanding of what Evolution is. It's pretty much a compulsory thing, which must be very hard for people who reject it as begin unscientific, or write it off because of some religious bias?
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens
Miss Rowy,

I think I aught to clarify my use of the word 'nebulous', with regard to the scientific method and Evolution. I mean '....difficult to see, understand, describe etc.'* rather than 'vague'


---
* Nebulous - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
Upvote 0

crjmurray

The Bear. Not The Bull.
Dec 17, 2014
4,490
1,146
Lake Ouachita
✟16,029.00
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Private

Paramilitary? Care to elaborate on that? Where I'm from that could mean a lot of different things.
 
Upvote 0

lewiscalledhimmaster

georgemacdonald.info
Nov 8, 2012
2,499
56
67
Scotland
Visit site
✟60,423.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Greens
Paramilitary? Care to elaborate on that? Where I'm from that could mean a lot of different things.

Essentially policing. i.e. law enforcement relative to the seashore act, park by laws and road traffic ordinances, as well as life saving and "hands on" on-the-spot basic medic stuff.
 
Upvote 0

crjmurray

The Bear. Not The Bull.
Dec 17, 2014
4,490
1,146
Lake Ouachita
✟16,029.00
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Private
Essentially policing. i.e. law enforcement relative to the seashore act, park by laws and road traffic ordinances, as well as life saving and "hands on" on-the-spot basic medic stuff.

Me and you are a minority here
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.