THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
You are confused. God's SABBATH was made at the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION week *GENESIS 2:1-3; JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for MANKIND *MARK 2:27. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

So am I?

Ex 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Moses and Jesus (by your implication) don't agree. Who's lying and hwo's telling the truth. Your idea won't let it be both.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Your resonse does not address the post you are responding from. Seems to be a habbit you have.

It responds to the Scriptures you quoted and your idea to a "T."

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

Soyeong said:
Who said I wasn't? And even if I were not, that wouldn't change the truth of what said, it would just mean that I would need to change my behavior.

It does no good to memorize them and not utilize them. Yes it would as you noted by the last half od your sentence.

Again, who said I wasn't? In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that His Law was not too difficult for us to obey, if Acts 15:10 were speaking about the same law, then they would be in direct contradiction of God and they would therefore be wrong. In 1 John 5:3, it also confirms that to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so telling Gentiles not to obey God's commandments is the equivalent of telling them that they shouldn't love God. So take you pick:

Then why aren't you in compliance with them?

Very good referencing 1 Jn 5 instead of 1 Jn 2. But I ask you what commandments is John referring to? Is it the famous 10 or those of Jesus. No Jesus didn't give them to Moses - Jn 1:17, Eph 3:19. So for context I quote -

1 Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1.) God was right in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and the Jerusalem Council was wrong in Acts 15:10.

Then the Apostles flat lied. Yes there's a conflicting difference. That difference is because of different covenants, not a disagreement.

2.) God was wong in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and the Jerusalem Council was right in Acts 15:10.

I see you notice a difference. My above comment covers this very well.

3.) They were not speaking about the same law.

Well the not the same covenant.

My vote is with #3.

My vote is none of your choices.

SkyWriting · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Those who break Gods' Commandments do not LOVE him neither do they know him *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6.

Hebrews 7:18
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

Dkh587 said:
The yoke Peter is talking about, based on my studies, is salvation by works. That is why Peter says “we nor our fathers were able to bear”. Peter knows that we are all saved by faith, which is why he says that we are saved “by the grace of the Master Jesus”.

In Acts 15, Peter responds to the claim that “ye must be circumcised and keep
The law to be saved”, and Jacob(James) responds to the 2nd claim that Christians should obey the law.

Exactly which is caused by the law - the yoke.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed, what was the OLD COVENANT in your view and what is the NEW COVENANT we are now in?

Doesn't matter as you'll only say we don't understand.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really. God's WORD in the NEW COVEANANT says that ISRAEL is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-17. So yep the SABBATH is still a sign of who God's people are *REVELATION 14:12; 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.

See a dismissal of Scripture - even Moses.

SkyWriting · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
God's WORD says there was 10 commandments spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone *EXODUS 32:16; EXODUS 20:1-17. The supporting laws and SHADOW laws *EXODUS 24:7 were written in the MOSAIC BOOK of the law DEUTERONOMY 31:26.

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
Who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?

2 Corinthians 3:3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

SkyWriting · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-17. So yep the SABBATH is still a sign of who God's people are *REVELATION 14:12; 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.

Believers are the offspring. Believers are now Israel.

John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
You did not answer the question. You do not know what made up the OLD COVENANT do you. If you do not know what made up the OLD COVENANT how can you understand the NEW COVENANT that the OLD Covenant pointed to? How can you not what the substance is if you do not know what the SHADOWS were?

Turn about is fair play.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
CIRCUMCISION has nothing to do with God's 10 commandments. It is a SHADOW law pointing to a new heart by FAITH from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. No one is telling you that your rightouesness comes by the law so what is your argument? Thats right you have none.

You continually say I'm in unrepentant sin for which there's no forgiveness. That's practicing unrighteousness and is the same, not just practiced. So yes the righteousness you talk about comes strictly from obedience to the law. I agree with Jer 23:6 proclaiming Yĕhovah tsidqenuw.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Those who break Gods' Commandments do not LOVE him neither do they know him *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6.

Yes and this is God's commandment -

1 Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all. God's SABBATH was made for mankind *MARK 2:27 BEFORE ISRAEL existed. In the NEW COVNENANT God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

Not according to Moses as I've posted by quote from Exodus. You bring other issues in your post that have been dealt with responding to your posts.

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Why not? There is a penalty for sin in both the OLD COVENANT and the NEW COVENANT.

Because you didn't explain why they are.

SkyWriting · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Those who break Gods' Commandments do not LOVE him neither do they know him *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6.

Hebrews 7:18
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness

SkyWriting · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

Hebrews 7:18
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 7 - English Standard Version

YeshuaFan · Jan 19, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
God's 4th commandment is stated all through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. According to the NEW TESTAMENT and OLD the purpose of God's LAW (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:19

We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to God's WORD, God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

So let's hear the conclusion of the matter as PAUL says...

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

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Hope this helps.

Paul stated that we can still observe sat, or Sun, or any day of the Week unto the lord now, correct?

ace of hearts · Jan 19, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
Paul stated that we can still observe sat, or Sun, or any day of the Week unto the lord now, correct?

I think so.

SkyWriting · Jan 19, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
Paul stated that we can still observe sat, or Sun, or any day of the Week unto the lord now, correct?

Each should be convinced in his own mind.

YeshuaFan · Jan 19, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I think so.

IF a Sda wants to keep the Sabbath still, fine, but do not force all others to keep it, nor judge us for not agreeing with them on this issue!

THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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