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The Rosary and Orthodoxy

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HandmaidenOfGod

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Glory to Jesus Christ!

I have a question for the board. I am aware that praying the rosary is a Roman Catholic tradition that developed about five hundred years after the schism, but I wanted to know if it was “sinful” for Orthodox Christians to pray the rosary.

The reason for my question is that a good friend of mine has given me a hand-made rosary that is absolutely beautiful, and I am wondering if it would be wrong for me to pray the rosary. If not, do you think it would be wrong to say the Jesus Prayer on the rosary?

I’ve read the below article, and I’ve sent an email to my priest (haven’t received a response yet,) but I wanted to get the board’s opinion on the matter. While I will ultimately follow the advice of my spiritual father in this matter, I was just wondering how all of you felt about this.

The Rosary and Orthodoxy

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I don't think there would be a problem with using it for the Jesus Prayer. I like the beauty of rosary beads. The icon/medal of the Theotokos and the crucifix at the end could be helpful. Of course I appreciate the signifigance of the wool and knots of our prayer ropes too.

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Xpycoctomos said:
This is where I get "crazy-liberal" on ya

Wow, you're not even Antiochian.

But, of course, I would heed whatever advice your spiritual advisor gives you

This was going to be my suggestion. All disciplines should be done with the guidence of a spiritual father.
 
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Drum roll please...


The "official" response from my priest is:


The rosary could only be used in an Orthodox fashion if you say the Jesus Prayer with it. Hope this helps. I know of no church authorities that would approve of it's usage in the regular RC method.

Fr. James

So while I must admit, I'm a little dissapointed, I will follow my Spiritual Fathers advice, and use the Rosary for The Jesus Prayer. Why the dissapointment you ask? Well, from what I've read on the rosary, there just seems to be a lot to be gained from saying it. Ah well, I will heed the advice of my Spiritual Father, as he is wiser than I, and there is much to be gained in following his advice.

In XC,

Maureen
 
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Good call Maureen. While our spiritual fathers may not be infallible in their discernment, it is much better for us to follow them somewhat unquestioningly because otherwise we are just, once again, leaning on our own experience, and this negates the whole purpose of having a spiritual father. The only time we should really question it is if it seems destructive to our faith and walk with Christ, in which case you pray aobut it and seek out the apiritual advice on how to approach this with another spiritual father. I'm glad you priest was able to give you such clear advice. Makes things a lot easier in the end!

John
 
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Good suggestion.
 
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Originally Posted by: Rilian

Maureen, the Rosary in its current forms contains elements that are not Orthodox (particularly the glorious mysteries). I can see why your priest is giving the counsel he is.

Did you ask if you could use the prayer rules of St. Seraphim of Sarov or St. Dmitri of Rostov?

Umm, what are the glorious mysteries and what are the prayer rules of St. Seraphim of SArov or St Dmitri of Rostov?


Girl with questions,


бабочка
 
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babocka, the mysteries I believe are cycles of reciting the decades based on the day of the week (and perhaps the time of the day) which focus on different aspects of the lives of Christ and the Theotokos. The glorious mysteries are a set of these reflections that contain beliefs we do not adhere to.

The prayer rules of St. Seraphim and St. Dmitri are in truth adaptations of the Rosary. They came about at a time of significant western influence in the churches of what is now Russia and Ukraine. They are completely Orthodox though. The prayer rule of the Mother of God of St. Seraphim of Sarov is in the link Maureen posted. The prayer rule of St. Dmitri of Rostov is called in the old Jordanville prayer book the "Tale of the Five Prayers". Here is the text taken out of that prayer book:


The whole prayer book can be found here
 
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Just emailed him, will let you know what he says.

I was surprised he didn't mention the rule of St. Seraphim for two reasons;

a) I included the article in my email

b) St. Seraphim is his favorite saint.

We'll see what he says.

In XC,

Maureen
 
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Those are interesting links. Just a couple of notes on them. Dr. Alexander Roman, even though he writes on a site called "Ukrainian Orthodoxy", is in fact a Greek Catholic. The third link has "The 15 promises of Mary to Christians who recite the Rosary Given to St Dominic and Blessed Alan" which I think illustrate well why the devotion is not appropriate in Orthodoxy.
 
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A Greek Catholic writing as a Ukrainian Orthodox? Talk about Identity Crisis! lol
 
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babochka said:
Umm, what are the glorious mysteries?

- First Glorious Mystery - The Resurrection of Jesus

- Second Glorious Mystery - The Ascension of Jesus

- Third Glorious Mystery - The Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost

- Fourth Glorious Mystery - The Assumption of Mary into Heaven

- Fifth Glorious Mystery - The Coronation of Mary as Queen of Heaven and Earth
 
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This subject came up in the early days of my catechumen phase. I had been attending Mass daily at an RC church before exploring Orthodoxy and had found great comfort in saying the Rosary. I had been protestant my whole life up to then so I was new to who Mary (Theotokos) is and to calling upon her intercessions. It was very helpful to me. At that time my Priest was especially concerned about my learning about Orthodoxy and the Traditions of the church (Capital “T”). He was concerned about my saying the rosary, particularly because some of the mysteries do not fit Orthodoxy theology.



When I mentioned St. Seraphim’s rule in an email he consented to my reading them. However, we discussed this later in my catechumen phase and he had not realized that at that time I was not saying my morning and evening prayers, or the Jesus Prayer.



Now I focus on these prayers first. However, I have been given permission to say the Rosary when helpful as long as I limit the mysteries to Orthodox theology.



Personally, I love the Rosary. I still find peace in praying it. I find conviction when I pray the Jesus Prayer. Sometimes conviction is more edifying. However, there are times when I need the loving arms of the Holy Mother around me to comfort and remind me that I am never alone.
 
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