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Easystreet · Aug 11, 2006

• Indonesia Officials And Militants Close Baptist Church
About 30 local officials backed by Muslim militants closed down a Baptist church in Bandung, the capital of the tense Indonesian province of West Java, investigators confirmed Thursday, August 10.
Added: Aug 11th, 2006 2:48 AM

• Iran 'Officially' Charges Ex-Muslim with Drug Trafficking
Seven years after Issa Motamedi Mojdehi converted from Islam to Christianity, Iranian secret police have jailed him for abandoning Islam but officially charged him with illegal drug trafficking.
Added: Aug 9th, 2006 5:28 AM
• Islamic Violence Paralyzes Teenager, Churches in Nigeria
For two years Francis Yohanna Anche, 15, has been suffering from a brain injury he sustained when Muslim students in his high school in Zaria city attacked Christian students. His right hand and leg are still paralyzed from a machete cut to his head.
Added: Jul 10th, 2006 5:30 PM

• Three Killed As Nigeria "Taliban" Fighters Attack Christian Village
At least three people were killed and 30 others injured when Nigeria's 'Taliban' militia attacked a Christian village in Taraba State, rights watchers and news reports said Wednesday July 5.
Added: Jul 6th, 2006 3:02 PM
• Mob Stones Woman to Death for Evangelizing
Church leaders here said Muslim extremists overwhelmed police officers providing refuge for an unidentified Christian woman in this town in Niger state on June 28 and stoned and clubbed her to death for doing street evangelism.
Added: Jul 6th, 2006 2:44 PM

• Iran: Another Believer Arrested
On 24 July, an Iranian Christian named Issa Motamadi was imprisoned on account of his faith. French internet news site VoxDei reports that Issa Motamadi, a resident of the north-western town of Resht, the capital of Gilan Province, will soon stand trial before a Revolutionary Tribunal.
Added: Aug 1st, 2006 1:08 AM

• Indonesia: Sole Survivor of Muslim Beheading Attack Receives Medical Treatment
Noviana Malewa, the only girl to escape the malicious beheadings that took place in Indonesia on October 29, 2005 in Central Sulawesi, will receive treatment from VOMedical. The surgery is to alleviate the constant pain she still endures from a sword slash to her face and neck by militant Muslims.
Added: Jul 25th, 2006 11:59 PM

• Secret Documents Reveal Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Iraq, Leader says
Secret documents show Saddam Hussein's regime and local Kurdish leaders were involved in the "ethnic cleansing", "gassing" and "Islamization" of Assyrian Christians in Northern Iraq, with international religious aid organizations refusing to intervene, an Assyrian official claimed Wednesday, August 4.
Added: Aug 7th, 2006 2:41 AM

• Egypt Christian Woman "Kidnapped" by Muslim Militants, Contacts Family
There was concern Sunday, February 26, over the condition of a kidnapped young Christian women in Egypt amid reports she is being held in a Cairo apartment and forced to convert to Islam.
Added: Feb 27th, 2006 8:09 AM
Christians don’t force anyone to get saved and if they refused then torture them or kill them or rape them.

A personal note. In the presence of a fellow Christian, Name withheld to protect him, a missionary in a Islamic Country, Name withheld to protect him, told us that they are crusifying Christians upside down.

That is all I can tell you His life and all who live where he does are in the underground chruch. It is bad. Hide your head in the sand if you like, this is real.

gwynedd1 · Aug 11, 2006

Who is defending Islam and Islamic faiths here? The Dhimmi status should be well known to Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
Here is another source on the tax levied on Dhimmi.

jizya here is Encyclopædia Britannica Article Page 1 of 1 Print PagePrint ArticleE-mail ArticleCite Article also spelled Jizyah, Arabic Jizyah, head or poll tax that early Islamic rulers demanded from their non-Muslim subjects. Islamic law made a distinction between two categories of non-Muslim subjectspagans and dhimmis (protected peoples, or peoples of the book; i.e., those peoples who based their religious beliefs on sacred texts, such as Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians). The Muslim rulers tolerated the dhimmis and allowed them to practice their religion. In return for protection and as a mark of their submission, the dhimmis were required to pay a special poll tax known as the jizya. The rate of taxation and methods of collection varied greatly from province to province and were greatly influenced by local pre-Islamic customs. In theory the tax money was to be used for charitable purposes and the payment of salaries and pensions. In practice, however, the revenues derived from the jizya were deposited in the private treasuries of the rulers. The Ottomans usually used the proceeds of the jizya to pay their military expenses. A convert to Islam, in theory, was no longer required to pay the jizya. The Umayyad caliphs (661750), however, faced with increasing financial difficulties, demanded the jizya from recent converts to Islam as well as from the dhimmis. This discrimination against converts was a cause of the Abu Muslim rebellion (747) in Khorasan and helped to precipitate the downfall of the Umayyads.

I feel little need to warn about the dangers of Islam because of the massive campain agaist it for the worst of reasons. Although the regime in particular is rather important as to the implimentation it will often result in a subordinate state for Christians. I would gladly take this position for the sake of peace.

Matt 5 5: Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 7: Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8: Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 10: Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11: Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12: Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 13: Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15: Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16: Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

I believe there is an intent to foment a Crusader-Jihadi war. Do you count the cost of discipleship? The truth of Zionist duplicity will emerge. It is likely that the enraged nations of the world will seek vengence on the Zionists and destroy much of Israel as Crusaders and Jihadis at which point God will judge those nations as it has judged the Zionists. All of these worldy things will lead to destruction if my interpretation is indeed correct..

Zech 12 1: The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2: Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3: And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4: In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5: And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God. 6: In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7: The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

This will happen to Israel:

Zech 13 7: Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. 8: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

There is no covenant with Israel today. They settled their accounts with the Lord for 30 pieces of silver. The seed of faith is now grafted in from the wild branches. Notice that the Lord says

10: And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it assunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

So much for the covenant with Abraham for wicked generations

Zech 11 1: Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars. 2: Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down. 3: There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds; for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled. 4: Thus saith the LORD my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter; 5: Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not. 6: For I will no more pity the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD: but, lo, I will deliver the men every one into his neighbour's hand, and into the hand of his king: and they shall smite the land, and out of their hand I will not deliver them. 7: And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. 8: Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9: Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. 10: And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it assunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11: And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD. 12: And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13: And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD. 14: Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. 15: And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. 16: For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. 17: Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

Matt 27 1: When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: 2: And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. 3: Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4: Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5: And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. 6: And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. 7: And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. 8: Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

The force of arms will become the World's folly. The hand that feeds it, the harlot of Babylon will also suffer its fate.

Easystreet · Aug 11, 2006

The whole world is winding down to the end.

The stage is set. Anti God Europe is basically in place. The ten toes of Daniel are not fare off.

The Church will be raptured out and the 70th week will start. All nations will be against God and Israel. The Real Born A Gain Church is removed form Earth and comes back with Christ at the Second coming.

4/5 of the world population will die prior to the Second coming.

There is hope for this earth and the remaining humanity at that time. Satan will no longer be allowed to roam and deceive. Christ will be on earth. Only believer will enter the earthly kingdom.

Israel will believe in the Christ and 144 000 will enter the kingdom with all the saved gentiles at that time, and all lost will be sent to hell.

This is what is going to happen. Governments, peoples, religions will scheme and plot and war but in the end God wins and all true believers are with Christ wherever he is.

God Bless

Gordon

Poke · Aug 11, 2006

GordonSlocum said:
Israel will believe in the Christ and 144 000 will enter the kingdom with all the saved gentiles at that time, and all lost will be sent to hell.

Does that mean you think all but 144K Jews will be killed and sent to Hell?

gwynedd1 · Aug 11, 2006

GordonSlocum said:
The whole world is winding down to the end.

The stage is set. Anti God Europe is basically in place. The ten toes of Daniel are not fare off.

The Church will be raptured out and the 70th week will start. All nations will be against God and Israel. The Real Born A Gain Church is removed form Earth and comes back with Christ at the Second coming.

4/5 of the world population will die prior to the Second coming.

There is hope for this earth and the remaining humanity at that time. Satan will no longer be allowed to roam and deceive. Christ will be on earth. Only believer will enter the earthly kingdom.

Israel will believe in the Christ and 144 000 will enter the kingdom with all the saved gentiles at that time, and all lost will be sent to hell.

This is what is going to happen. Governments, peoples, religions will scheme and plot and war but in the end God wins and all true believers are with Christ wherever he is.

God Bless

Gordon

I may disagree on the details. I think the Jacobs trouble and the day of the Lord are 2 events. In Jacobs trouble Jerusalem is utterly destroyed while in the Day of the Lord a remnant is not "cut off" . The biggest barrier in my mind to a single event is this generation shall not pass and 70 AD was a perfect fulfillment within that generation. Also the Beast in Revelation has elements of all 4 beasts in Danial and represents more or less the world than the more limited empires Have you ever seen this in the Talmud? Facinating... http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/scapegoat.htm Within 40 years, a biblical generation.

Easystreet · Aug 11, 2006

Poke said:
Does that mean you think all but 144K Jews will be killed and sent to Hell?

Yes, but my Yes is the Yes of God's Word. I only agree with the Word.

There is a song out that say "Its not about me" Well it is not about me. It is about God's Word. See Revelation Chapter 7 And Romans 11:25, 26

Easystreet · Aug 11, 2006

gwynedd1 said:
I may disagree on the details. I think the Jacobs trouble and the day of the Lord are 2 events. In Jacobs trouble Jerusalem is utterly destroyed while in the Day of the Lord a remnant is not "cut off" . The biggest barrier in my mind to a single event is this generation shall not pass and 70 AD was a perfect fulfillment within that generation. Also the Beast in Revelation has elements of all 4 beasts in Danial and represents more or less the world than the more limited empires Have you ever seen this in the Talmud? Facinating... http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/scapegoat.htm Within 40 years, a biblical generation.

I know the near demonstrative pronoun "This" causes many - many problems.

Now there is the "catch". Are you ready? OK

It is all about context. Now the next reality is weather one is Covenant or Dispensational in theology.

Starting with vs. 15 chapter 24. The "this generation" vs. 34 is the generation of the great tribulation. Using the Near Demonstrative Pronoun in this context is correct."

If I don't accept vs. 15-31, Look at 23. "At that time" The time of Tribulation, "this generation"

Take note here - this is very important. Covenant Theology takes vs. 15 to 31 and places it at 70 AD.

Dispensational Theology Places it during the future 70 week of Daniel or Jacob's Trouble or the Great Tribulation.

Several key points to notice:

(1) Covenant Theology say 70 AD However, the Jewish holocaust by Hitler killed far more than were killed in 70 AD. The Scripture say that this time will not be equaled.

(2) If this day (tribulation period) had not been shorten no one would have survived. But this period was cut short or stopped (WHY) for the elect. In context the Elect spoken of here are Israelites.

(3) During this terrible time Many false Christ will try to deceive the Jewish Elect the 144k.

(4) At the end of the 70th week verse 29 takes place and then Jesus come back and the Church is with Him because He is the head and the body goes with the Head.

(5) All Old Testament, and Tribulation saints will be gathered from all parts of the globe.

(6) So this generation (vs. 23) the generation of the Great Tribulation "this generation" vs. 34.

(7) Notice vs. 40. An odd verse isn't it. Vss 36-39 speak of Noah's day. The flood came and took away the lost in all the earth and the only ones left were 8 souls, Noah's family alone. Likewise, at the second coming the flood of judgment will take all un-saved away to hell, and only the saved Gentiles and 144k Israelites will enter the 1000 year Kingdom.

The key to understanding is context. Know where a context ends and begins and keep the language within. Allegorizing and Spiritualizing never solves hermeneutic issues only the Normal Literal Dispensational method does.

No guess work just accepting the Scripture in context.

Hope this helps.

God Bless

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