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I havent as yet been able to get hold of a copy,but as soon as I do I will post my comments.
I do have the following except on my computer.

"REVOLUTION" - An Extract.
-From George Barna's pre-manuscript of a forthcoming book.

As we journey together, I want to show you what our research has
uncovered regarding a growing sub-nation of people, already well
over 20 million strong, who are what we call Revolutionaries.

What "established systems" are they seeking to "overthow or
repudiate" and "thoroughly replace," in Webster's words?

They have no use for churches that play religious games, whether
those games are worship services that drone on without the
presence of God or ministry programs that bear no spiritual fruit.
Revolutionaries eschew ministries that compromise or soft sell our
sinful nature to expand organizational turf. They refuse to follow
people in ministry in leadership positions who cast a personal
vision rather than God's, or who seek popularity rather than the
proclamation of truth in their public statements, or who are more
concerned about their own legacy than that of Jesus Christ. They
refuse to donate one more dollar to man-made monuments that
mark their own achievements and guarantee their place in history.
They are unimpressed by accredited degrees and endowed chairs
in Christian colleges and seminaries that produce young people
incapable of defending the Bible or unwilling to devote their life to
serving others. And Revolutionaries are embarrassed by language
that promises Christian love and holiness but turns out to be all
sizzle and no substance.

In fact, many Revolutionaries have been active in good churches
that have biblical preaching, people coming to Christ and being
baptized, a full roster of interesting classes and programs, and a
congregation packed with nice people. There is nothing overtly
wrong with anything taking place at such churches. But
Revolutionaries innately realize that it is just not enough to go with
the flow. The experience provided through their church, although
better than average, still seems flat. They are seeking a faith
experience that is more robust and awe-inspiring, a spiritual
journey that prioritizes transformation at every turn, something
worthy of the Creator whom their faith reflects...

Revolutionaries zealously pursue an intimate relationship with God,
which Jesus Christ promised we could have through Him...

In this book I will describe what The Barna Group has learned about
this under-the-radar but seminal renaissance of faith that will
remake the religious contours of this country over the coming quarter-century.

[Barna goes on to predict the complete re-shaping of the way
people experience "church" in America]:

Whereas "Christian community" has generally been limited to the
relationships facilitated within a congregation, the Revolution is
bursting open the walls of the worldwide Church to birth a truly
international network of relationships...

The U.S. will see a reduction in the number of churches, as
presently configured (i.e. congregational-formatted ministries).
Church service attendance will drop... Donations to churches will
drop... Churches' already limited political and cultural influence
will diminish even further at the same time that Christians will
exert greater influence through more disparate mechanisms.
Fewer church programs will be sustained in favor of more
communal experiences among Christians...

To some, this will sound like the Great Fall of the Church. To
Revolutionaries, it will be the Great Reawakening of the Church.
New scenarios do not mean mayhem and dissipation. In this
case, they represent a new day in which the Church can truly be
the Church--different than what we know today, but more
responsive to and reflective of God.
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I agree with his findings. I could be considerd in this group of Revolutionaries. But it is a bit more complicated then just wanting change.

I disagree with his predictions and conclusions. Not much is going to change with the institutional churches. Non-denoms have pretty much run their course. No new church structures will emerge. It is not a structural change that is needed.
 
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I can see where he's coming from. As the remnants of culturally imposed church attendance wear off due to the secualrization of society attendance and tithes will fall. Those who live the belief will be disillusioned by the pandering of pastors to get more members by catering services to the consequences of sin instead of proactively teaching the reproach and avoidance of sin. The people with the fire of the Holy Spirit may walk away from man's organized religion in favor of God's.

The Mormons make sure their church leaders are elected and usually they have money or other jobs to support themselves. Wonder how this will factor in.
 
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Metanoia02,

Because God is going to succeed in his plan for this world and for his church,then obviously he will force change on the church.The first church had no denominations and I believe that denominations as we know them will dissappear and there will be a return to non-denominational church only christianity.Jesus will return for a second time to a more unified body.We will most likely see a gradual change over a period of time and maybe "The Revolutionaries" are the vanguard of this movement.It must be obvious to all of us who care about christianity that the church cannot carry on as it is now and survive,we know from the Bible that God will not allow his church to be destroyed.
 
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