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My faith? Are you one of those "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist" people?

Not at all. Perhaps I should have said "lack of belief" instead. I don't think that people can control their beliefs. For some atheists to tell them to believe in God is like telling them to believe that the computer they are using to read this post does not exist. But that is not the point I was making. The point that I was making was simply this, if there is nothing that anyone can show you that will change your beliefs and there is nothing you can provide the individuals on this forum that will change their beliefs, then it is pointless for anyone to try to change anyone's beliefs. So you are right in this issue. However:
I mean, based on what you told me in private, I find this discussion to be utterly pointless as I pointed out.

I don't think the conversation on this thread is pointless. There could be literally hundreds of people who will read this thread who are undecisive on this issue. What you are doing is providing a point of view that others can use to make their own decision. I would look at it as a debate. You give your points with information to back it up and your opponent gives theirs. Then let the audience decide for themselves.
 
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Please just explain why no one went to the tomb to check whether there were bloody footprints or bloody drag marks, since, after all, Jesus had already performed hundreds of miracles.
 
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Please just explain why no one went to the tomb to check whether there were bloody footprints or bloody drag marks, since, after all, Jesus had already performed hundreds of miracles.

Why would they? The open tomb was known to the Jewish authorities; the disciples on thenother hand encountered the risen Lord personally. So the former had their story, whereas the latter did not require one.

Furthermore, I would argue that your desire for a sort of ancient Roman CSI team to descend upon the tomb is quite absurd, given the relative lack of the idea of forensic investigation, so far as we can ascertain, in that epoch. In the case of Julius Caesar, for example, there was no detailed analysis - that history has recorded, at any rate - of the blood spatters resulting from his brutal murder.

So, my point stands: your argument amounts to nitpicking piled upon absurdity. It is not in any sense the product or companion of reason.
 
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Off topic. Not talking about the resurrection here but rather why there was no investigation.
 
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OK. For starters, you can explain why I should care about the system of morality, and with it the offer of redemption, proposed by a band of racist, sexist, barbaric, genocidal, slave-driving rapists.

What band would that be?
 
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And your attempts to argue against even basic theology based on things not being written in the Bible are pointless as well.
 
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Because with no tech required you can see if the dead body was dragged or walked by itself.
 
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I find what you propose to be rather contrary to Reason.
Indeed.

He is trying to refute basic doctrine (like the Resurrection), based on what isn't written in the Bible.

He's not willing to fill in the blanks; but is willing to challenge us for doing so.
 
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I'm not talking about theology on this thread.
So I notice.

You're trying to talk between the lines, and it's only making you look ... well ... scientific.
 
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The resurrection.

If the resurrection didn't happen that's all the more reason we'd expect to find at least one refutation that it happened.
Investigation of the tomb.

My four points address the question because those are options which could result if the tomb was investigated.
 
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If the resurrection didn't happen that's all the more reason we'd expect to find at least one refutation that it happened.


My four points address the question because those are options which could result if the tomb was investigated.

Explain why it would be moronic to dispatch such a team please.
 
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How embarrassing.
Sad, if you ask me.

If you're an evolutionist -- and I assume you are -- you are more than willing to play their connect-the-dots game in a positive light, aren't you?

But with theology, you will play connect-the-dots with negative statements.
 
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Explain why it would be moronic to dispatch such a team please.

Are you confusing me with another poster? I never said such a thing would be moronic, and in fact if it were up to me I'd probably have dispatched such a team myself. But in historical terms, I'm sure the Spanish would have loved to have dispatched a team to convince people that the undefeatable Spanish Armada wasn't defeated, but I think it's actually very difficult to lie about important historical events in the long run.
 
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OK, I'll say that might affect possibility #1. But possibilities #2 and #3 remain.
 
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I find this discussion to be utterly pointless as I pointed out.

My one sentence----I was not insulting, simply stating the obvious, feel free to do as your conscience dictates--not watching this thread any longer.
 
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