The Passion

Why is everyone so worked up about this movie? It's just a movie, not the actual events. I can't tell you the number of e-mails and invites I've gotten to see it ...

Seriously. Is everyone excited for the movie itself. Or because it promulgates Christianity to the population at large? What if the movie is terrible?

Spaise said:

Then why state a time man cannot comprehend? Doesnt make any sense does it. If it's God, time has no matter to Her. You can't say God made the Earth in six days without taking something from her awesome power.

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My questions went UNANSWERED AGAIN!!!

Does God have to make sense to you? Can you comprehend God as He is? If you can, why are you not with Him? Also did Michael Jordan jump out of his mom's womb as a professional NBA player? Think about these things.

Spaise said:

God did create dinosaurs right? Where are they?

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Why do you always have to go off the topic at hand, jump from one to another?

They are in the bible, make a google search, you will find 'em...

And answer my questions when you get a chance!

Spaise said:

There are to many things in the bible that say it was made up with all the knowledge of the times. God did create dinosaurs right? Where are they?

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Ahhh...are you saying there were no dinosaurs, or that they were not in the Bible?? I was just wondering why you think the Bible is untrue?

Love-n-Blessings!
dee

Namaste all,


wow... lots of opinions are being displayed... so what's one more?

God killed Jesus.

as for the movie... personally, i think that Gibson is a lousy director and as such, the movie will probably not be something that i'd be interested in paying to see. he's a decent enough actor.

for a really well directed movie about Jesus.. you can watch the Last Temptation of Christ by Scorsese.

i worked in the film business for awhile and as such, i really don't go in for pulp movies. rather like working in the comic book business.. after awhile, and not very long at that, you get tired of all the spandex clad mutants running amok. give me some good old Gru or Grendel anyday.

for a really well directed movie about Jesus.. you can watch the Last Temptation of Christ by Scorsese.

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Bah! I thought the film was interesting but William DaFoe's Jesus was winy and annoying.

...and no...dinosaurs are not in the Bible. Not even in Job.

TWells said:

...and no...dinosaurs are not in the Bible. Not even in Job.

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I agree but why does everybody believe that they have to be? What does it prove if dinosaurs aren't in the Bible? The Bible is God's word telling us that we have sin in our lives and what God's remedy is for that sin. What does that have to do with dinosaurs?

TWells said:

...and no...dinosaurs are not in the Bible. Not even in Job.

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In that case, I made an uneducated statement, believing what I saw on CHRISTIANANSWERS.NET .. I should have looked into it more carefully...

It doesn't matter to me, I 100% agree with "why does everybody believe that they have to be? What does it prove if dinosaurs aren't in the Bible? The Bible is God's word telling us that we have sin in our lives and what God's remedy is for that sin. What does that have to do with dinosaurs?"

Check out the dino story here:

http://christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-where1.html

http://christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-where2.html

Yep, story from JOB

Bushmaster78FS said:

It doesn't matter to me, I 100% agree with "why does everybody believe that they have to be? What does it prove if dinosaurs aren't in the Bible? The Bible is God's word telling us that we have sin in our lives and what God's remedy is for that sin. What does that have to do with dinosaurs?"

Check out the dino story here:

http://christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-where1.html

http://christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-where2.html

Yep, story from JOB

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Looks interesting but the story put forward by that creationist website isn't what I believe. I believe in the gap theory in Genesis. I believe the 6 days of creation were 6 days of a recreation after a very old earth had been made desolate. The dinosuars lived during the time before this recreation. I believe the Behemoth and Leviathan of Job is Satan in his dragon form and which is metaphorfic in nature.

nephilimiyr said:

I believe the Behemoth and Leviathan of Job is Satan in his dragon form and which is metaphorfic in nature.

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Namaste,

that's a very reasonable position to take.. and, given the overall instructive nature of the Bible, fits quite well.

vajradhara said:

Namaste,

that's a very reasonable position to take.. and, given the overall instructive nature of the Bible, fits quite well.

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Hello vaj!

Is this position I have new to you vajradhara? It can be easily understood by reading Job. When you read the book of Job and read it with the understanding that the Lord is speaking of Satan, it makes perfect sense.

There are many references in Job 41 that shows this creature is Satan. His "light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning" (Job 41:18) reminds me of the Lucifer in Isaiah 14, The son of the morning. He is impervious to human weapons, suggesting he is not an earthly creature. He can breath fire-again not a quality of any living creature that has ever lived but one that might be expected of Satan in the dragon form.

Once it is understood that Leviathan is Satan, then the last verse of this 41st chapter in Job has one key clue: He is king over all the children of pride. This suggests that the fallen angels that make Satan their king have all rebelled and fallen for the same reason: Their pride causes them to forsake God and attempt to become like gods.

LOL, you know, I was involved in this thread shortly after it first started but I have to ask. How on earth did dinosaurs get into the discussion on "The Passion"?

OPPS, wait...I don't think I really want to know!!!

Spaise said:

Does anyone have an opinion on Mel Gibson's new film 'The Passion'. It's sparking a lot of controversy among the Jewish community. I heard it was a great film. I don't necessarily believe in all of it, but i most definately will see it. I heard the film makes the Jews look bad and that it will really sparks a lot of anti-semitism. I really hope it doesn't. I saw some screen shots, and this movie is going to be deep.

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I think the movie is going to be awesome! Mel Gibson wanted people to know of the suffering of Jesus on the Cross for our sins-and it looks as if he depicted it well. From what I understand, there won't be a dry eye in the house! The movie comes out the 25th, I think we should start a thread after people have seen the movie.

Love-n-Blessings!
dee

nephilimiyr said:

Hello vaj!

Is this position I have new to you vajradhara? It can be easily understood by reading Job. When you read the book of Job and read it with the understanding that the Lord is speaking of Satan, it makes perfect sense.

There are many references in Job 41 that shows this creature is Satan. His "light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning" (Job 41:18) reminds me of the Lucifer in Isaiah 14, The son of the morning. He is impervious to human weapons, suggesting he is not an earthly creature. He can breath fire-again not a quality of any living creature that has ever lived but one that might be expected of Satan in the dragon form.

Once it is understood that Leviathan is Satan, then the last verse of this 41st chapter in Job has one key clue: He is king over all the children of pride. This suggests that the fallen angels that make Satan their king have all rebelled and fallen for the same reason: Their pride causes them to forsake God and attempt to become like gods.

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Namaste nephilimiyr,

thank you for the post.

it's not "new" per se, though it's not a view that is shared by many of the posters on this forum. i realize that is a very small subset of individuals... but you know how statistics work

Spaise said:

I read that Gibson combined the four gospels to create this vivid account. Do you think the Jews have enough things to worry about. I can't help coming back to this because it is sure to spark some sort of backlash, and i really don't believe it is necessary at all. I don't think people are smart enough to leave things in this past, where they belong. Gibson from parts of the script i read did a rather poor job of depicting the Jewish people of the time. Is it necessary to make the Jews look worse than the Romans?

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The Romans were just as guilty, Jews whether they like or not had something to do with the crucifixion of Jesus. I don't think this movie makes Jews look bad, afterall that's the way it happend in the bible.

To all:

(This was posted on another MB by a friend of mine.)

Here is a letter written by a man who has seen the Passion movie. We have been going back and forth on it and we have not even seen it! This letter is very interesting, check it out:

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There've been a ton of emails and forwards floating around recently from those who've had the privilege of seeing Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" prior to its actual release. I thought I'd give you my reaction after seeing it last night.

The screening was on the first night of "Elevate!", a weekend-long seminar for young people at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano. There were about 2,000 people there, and the movie was shown after several speakers had taken the podium. It started around 9 and finished around 11...so I reckon the film is about two hours in length. Frankly, I lost complete track of time - so I can't be sure.

I want you to know that I started in broadcasting when I was 13-years-old. I've been in the business of writing, performing, production, and broadcasting for a long time. I've been a part of movies, radio, television, stage and other productions - so I know how things are done. I know about soundtracks and special effects and make-up and screenplays. I think I've seen just about every kind of movie or TV show ever made - from extremely inspirational to extremely gory. I read a lot, too - and have covered stories and scenes that still make me wince. I also have a vivid imagination, and have the ability to picture things as they must have happened - or to anticipate things as they will be portrayed. I've also seen an enormous amount of footage from Gibson's film, so I thought I knew what was coming.

But there is nothing in my existence - nothing I could have read, seen, heard, thought, or known - that could have prepared me for what I saw on screen last night.

This is not a movie that anyone will "like". I don't think it's a movie anyone will "love". It certainly doesn't "entertain". There isn't even the sense that one has just watched a movie. What it is, is an experience - on a level of primary emotion that is scarcely comprehensible. Every shred of human preconception or predisposition is utterly stripped away. No one will eat popcorn during this film. Some may not eat for days after they've seen it. Quite honestly, I wanted to vomit. It hits that hard.

I can see why some people are worried about how the film portrays the Jews. They should be worried. No, it's not anti-Semitic. What it is, is entirely shattering. There are no "winners". No one comes off looking "good" - except Jesus. Even His own mother hesitates. As depicted, the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day merely do what any of us would have done - and still do. They protected their perceived "place" - their sense of safety and security, and the satisfaction of their own "rightness". But everyone falters. Caiphus judges. Peter denies. Judas betrays. Simon the Cyrene balks. Mark runs away. Pilate equivocates. The crowd mocks. The soldiers laugh. Longinus still stabs with his pilus. The centurion still carries out his orders. And as Jesus fixes them all with a glance, they still turn away. The Jews, the Romans, Jesus' friends - they all fall. Everyone, except the Principal Figure. Heaven sheds a single, mighty tear - and as blood and water spew from His side, the complacency of all creation is eternally shattered.

The film grabs you in the first five seconds and never lets go. The brutality, humiliation, and gore is almost inconceivable - and still probably doesn't go far enough. The scourging alone seems to never end, and you cringe at the sound and splatter of every blow - no matter how steely your nerves. Even those who have known combat or prison will have trouble, no matter their experience - because this Man was not conscripted. He went willingly, laying down His entirety for all. It is one thing for a soldier to die for his countrymen. It's something else entirely to think of even a common man dying for those who hate and wish to kill him. But this is no common man. This is the King of the Universe. The idea that anyone could or would have gone through such punishment is unthinkable - but this Man was completely innocent, completely holy - and paying the price for others. He screams as He is laid upon the cross, "Father, they don't know. They don't know..."

What Gibson has done is to use all of his considerable skill to portray the most dramatic moment of the most dramatic events since the dawn of time. There is no escape. It's a punch to the gut that puts you on the canvas, and you don't get up. You are simply confronted by the horror of what was done - what had to be done - and why. Throughout the entire film, I found myself apologizing.

What you've heard about how audiences have reacted is true. There was no sound after the film's conclusion. No noise at all. No one got up. No one moved. The only sound one could hear was sobbing. In all my years of public life, I have never heard anything like that.

I told many of you that Gibson had reportedly re-shot the ending to include more "hope" through the Resurrection? That's not true. The Resurrection scene is perhaps the shortest in the entire movie - and yet it packs a punch that can't be quantified. It is perfect. There is no way to negotiate the meaning out of it. It simply asks, "Now, what will you do?"

I'll leave the details to you, in the hope that you will see the film - but one thing above all stands out, and I have to tell you about it. It comes from the end of Jesus' temptations in the wilderness - where the Bible says Satan left him "until a more opportune time". I imagine Satan never quit tempting Christ, but this film captures beyond words the most opportune time. At every step of the way, Satan is there at Jesus' side - imploring Him to quit, reasoning with Him to give up, and seducing Him to surrender.

For the first time, one gets a heart-stopping idea of the sense of madness that must have enveloped Jesus - a sense of the evil that was at His very elbow. The physical punishment is relentless - but it's the sense of psychological torture that is most overwhelming. He should have quit. He should have opened His mouth. He should have called 10,000 angels. No one would have blamed Him. What we deserve is obvious. But He couldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. He didn't do that. He doesn't do that. It was not and is not His character. He was obedient, all the way to the cross - and you feel the real meaning of that phrase in a place the human heart usually doesn't dare to go. You understand that we are called to that same level of obedience. With Jesus' humanity so irresistibly on display, you understand that we have no excuse. There is no place to hide.

The truth is this: Is it just a "movie"? In a way, yes. But it goes far beyond that, in a fashion I've never felt - in any forum. We may think we "know". We know nothing. We've gone 2,000 years - used to the idea of a pleasant story, and a sanitized Christ. We expect the ending, because we've heard it so many times. God forgive us. This film tears that all away. It's is as close as any of us will ever get to knowing, until we fully know. Paul understood. "Be urgent, in and out of season."

Luke wrote that Jesus reveals Himself in the breaking of the bread. Exactly. "The Passion Of The Christ" shows that Bread being broken.

Go see this movie

May I make a small observation here?

Sure seems like a whole lot of arguing about nothing, since no one has seen the movie yet!

Does that make sense?

And Spaise... can you enter any discussion without turning it into a "The Bible is trash" topic. Your motives are clear as glass.

W.D.

Ok, I HAVE seen the movie, today. In fact I went to the first 2 showings. The movie is a very good depiction of the Gospels. In fact, it was more than a movie...I would suggest everyone see it.

Love-n-Blessings
dee