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The Paradox of Christianity

From the outside looking in, the Christian faith can often appear somewhat of a paradox.

- One the one hand we have a book which instructed and eye for an eye then Jesus turned around and told us to turn the other cheek.
- Jesus gave a warning about how offended he would be if we did this to the least of his children, whilst king David desires to smash the babies of his enemies against the wall.
- We have Solomon teaching that wine is a mocker whilst Jesus miraculously turns water into wine at a wedding feast.
- We have Paul telling the Gentiles not to subscribe to laws of Israel while himself keeping them and indeed circumsing one, Timothy
- We have a story where the sun stood still to prolong a war, yet believe the earth circles around the sun and not vice versa

Now before I am summoned by the great leaders and ministers and taken away to be tried for heresy, understand this....I believe every thing must be taken into context and understood for what it is. What was the reason for the text, who was the author speaking to, was it as a method of explanation or literal application? How can Christians communicate a truth when even they sometimes cannot agree on what means??

This understanding does not come about by straightforward just looking at the Bible of beliefs of the Christian faith, but by a deep and meaningful relationship with God. Anyone can read the Bible, but it takes deep an meaningful prayer and communion with God to STUDY it. With such wisdom comes an desire to place what we understand in context and be able to share such truth with meakness, respect  and authority to whoever we meet, like Jesus with the woman from Samaria. Maybe the message might not be accepted but at least a difference would be made, thus unravelling what at first appears to be a paradox

God bless you as you journey
Dave
 

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I could post a bunch of scriptures etc... showing why, who, what and all that stuff. But I have a feeling that's not what you're looking for.

If someone was HONESTLY seeking answers to such things. It would require sitting down with them, without a bunch of other people there to distract and come up against what you're saying. And showing them through the scriptures why certain things had to take place so that Gods will would be accomplished. I doubt very much it could all be explained to them in one night. But I do believe that if they had a willing ear to listen and truly wanted to understand, that it could be explained to them through use of the scriptures, and with the Holy Ghost guiding you through it.
 
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I always find it amazing how many people say "OHHH" when they read the rest of the chapter lol

I heard a sermon on the radio just like an hour ago in which the pastor said "You gained more in Christ than you ever lost in Adam!"

Christianity is a very logical choice. You get heaven, an entire new family, total redemption, a relationship with God Almighty Himself, and riches beyond belief... I mean what more could you ask for??

But yes I agree with you about the paradox lol You can't do anything of yourself to become a Christian, but you just have to believe that someone else did. THEN you can be one. lol God works in funny ways!
 
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Originally posted by The Simple Plan
I have no idea what they are Gerry.

Dispensation 1 - ?
Dispensation 2 - Law ?
Dispensation 3 - Grace?

YOu will have to help me on this one

God is Awesome
Dave

Ohhhhhh! OK! Well good then. That is what explains the seeming "paradox". When you consider the dispensation in which we live you see the Scriptures in a totally different light. I think from the many posts I read in these forums, there are a great many who struggle with the Scriptures because of a lack of this knowledge. Perhaps I should open a seperate thread for this discussion, so that others will also be exposed to it.
 
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That's why I made the point from the outside looking in.
If one has not spent time STUDYING the words and asking God for guidance to understand it is nothing more than a bunch of words and a group of Hebrew and Greco-roman parables and stories.

For those who have been given the gift of teaching such is the responsibility to guide those who don't quite know yet what the Bible teaches.

Blessings
Dave
 
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I have a friend who is writing a series of one act plays. He told me about one of them. In it, a giant egg is discovered. A bunch of scientists drag it back to their laboratory and try to study it, observe it, test it, etc. Finally, the egg hatches, and out jumps a guy wearing a white T-shirt with a black question mark on it. "Guess who?" he says. "It's me, God!" The scientists are confused. "I'm the fourth person of God," he explains, "God the Paradox!"

...that's all he told me about it so far.
 
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Ok! Reason I asked is because Scofield is the Scholar that explains it best.
I can list the seven dispensations with a scripture reference for each, but you really need to have his notes to fully grasp and appreciate what a dispensation actually is. Since I am so slow it would take me forever to type it out. So give me another couple of days I will find a way to get this to you.

Go to the local Library and see if they have a copy. Mine does and I live in a very small town. If you can afford to buy one, you can get a hard back copy for around $25 American. Once you have it you will never part with it.
I have the NEW Scofield Study Bible & New King James Version (That is the title) You will fall in love with it.
 
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Those 7 dispensations are:

1) Innocence - Gen. 1:28
2) Conscience or Moral responsibility - Gen.3:7
3) Human Government Gen. 8:15
4) Promise Gen. 12:1
5) Law Exodus 19:1
6) Church Acts 2:1
7) Kingdom Rev. 20:4

If you cannot get this Bible, I will try to post his notes on each dispensation
perhaps one a day!
 
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Gerry... wasn't the kingdom there before the church though...

Matt_12:28
"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."

Matt_11:12
"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force."

Or rather "the kingdom of heaven breaks forth" I don't have access to one of Scofield's commentarys so I don't know why he places one before the other. Seeing as you have access to it, can you make one of your posts on his notes about that please. I'd like to see what his reasons were. Thanks! Have a great day!
 
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Stop and think! Are we talking about the age of CREATION or the order in which things were created? No! We are talking about the dispensations of "MAN".

Now keeping THAT in mind, which came first, the Church age ot the Kingdom age?

Did you look up the scripture references FIRST?
 
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Well since you don't place much stock in the Bible it is apparent you are not a Christian. And if you feel afraid here it is needless. No one is drilling anything into your head.

I checked your profile and since you lay no claim even there to being a Christian, I would point out that this is a Forum for Christians only who desire a closer fellowship.

If you would like to become a Christian and don't know how scroll to the bottom of this page and click on "Become A Christian" or PM me and I will gladly tell you how.
 
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Originally posted by findreality
I was raised penticostal and i know how to take up my cross and follow like a good little sheep...if you ever decide to break away from this foolishness that this website promotes ..My congrats..




findreality,

Feel free to post in the Apologetics Forum(you will find many atheists there), but you are not allowed to post in the "Christian Only" area's of this website.


Auntie.
 
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I'm sorry you do not seem to be here for "deeper fellowship".... what are you here for again "findreality"?

And Gerry.. I wasn't thinking about dispensation to man. I was thinking about origin. When I read what you said, I was like "OHHHH" lol Thank you
 
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LOL Yeah! That's what I thought. There is a big difference. I have not heard again from Dave so I guess I need to post some more on these dispenations.
 
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Yes, those who come to Jesus must come to Him as a child and in childlike faith. It is from there that we grow. I am sorry, but I won't be using your post in a testimonial in Church, but I am glad you stopped by. Please come back when you are saved. You will love the sweet fellowship of born again Christians.
 
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