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The Olivet Discourse Cannot Be Divided!

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Thank you. What should I have used instead of "Palestine"?

Anything but Palestine. That is confusing in view of today's Middle Eastern conflicts. Refer to it as The Holy Land, or The Promised Land, or Eratz Israel, or Greater Jerusalem, or Nation of Hebrews ..... whatever....

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Refer to it as.... Nation of Hebrews .....
Wait, what?

Why on earth should we refer to a multi ethnic secular democracy as a "Nation of Hebrews"?

That's way more confusing than Palestine.
 
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.................is stuck in the dogma and blinded to the truth of the Lord's Word

It is ironic that the comment above also applies to the guy who promotes the 2 Peoples/ 2 Purposes/ 2 Kingdoms/ 2 or more Gospels/ Scripture "Rightly Divided" into 2 Parts/ 2 Last Trumpets/ 2 Second Comings of Christ/ 2 or more Resurrections of the Dead/ Daniel 9 "Gap"/ Replacing the One Seed of Galatians 3:16 with the many seeds/ plus "Soul Sleep" doctrine.


Mat_7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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I am telling you that entire preteristic rant about covenant theology is bogus .... the motives of the theology are apparent

The Lord has a covenant with national Israel long standing which He will not break for those of the nation that turn to Him .... this promise stands out above all other nations of the Gentiles of which governments He is going to dissolve ... and Israel alone will be left standing .... and the government will be on His sholders

If one takes all of the related scriptures on this matter [not just a part], the evidence is in

And you cannot break His covenant with Israel no matter how much you howl about it .... it stands .... past, present, and future

And when one is observed meddling with this issue, there is rat theology in the wood pile that needs to be exterminated ... going against the Lord's intentions like this one tells a tale about those who do it .... not a healthy ambition to adventure

And the same goes for the Darby/MacDonald hoax that you have been deceived by

These two related off course theologies are the albatross around your neck and it would be in your best interest to cut the cord and return to the Lord's Word for truth
 
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Debating the ISSUES and SCRIPTURES with SS is also an exercise in futility, for he will always resort to a PERSONAL attack on the folks the holding a different view than his, (as you see above) instead of opening the Bible and demonstrating with scripture why he believes the VIEW is wrong.
 
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The preterist view can be demonstrated to be wrong by a straightforward reading of Rev. 6 & ff. None of that stuff has happened yet.
 
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The preterist view can be demonstrated to be wrong by a straightforward reading of Rev. 6 & ff. None of that stuff has happened yet.
Even though any "straightforward reading" would understand and accept that it was ordained by God to take place "Shortly" after John was given the vision, for the "time was near" (Rev 1:1-3)?
Ok then. I guess you got me.
 
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Even though any "straightforward reading" would understand and accept that it was ordained by God to take place "Shortly" after John was given the vision, for the "time was near" (Rev 1:1-3)?
Ok then. I guess you got me.
My intention is not to "get you", but rather to be true to the Word. You & I both know that words like "shortly" and "near" really don't mean much to us because it's God's timing that counts. I should also point out that the word translated "near" (Strong's G1451) is translated "ready" in Heb. 8:13 (ESV). I like this word better because even we futurists believe that everything is "ready" for the Lord's return, i.e., it's the next event on the prophetic calendar.
 
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Mathew 24:33
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

You are telling me Jesus doesn't mean "near" in the plain human sense here, but rather "near" in God's time?

It's the same Strong's 1451.
 
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Mathew 24:33
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

You are telling me Jesus doesn't mean "near" in the plain human sense here, but rather "near" in God's time?

It's the same Strong's 1451.
Yes, He means "near" there. Don't forget, the Discourse is broken in two parts -- a historical part and a future part. (Feel free to download the document I referred to in an earlier post.) What He's saying in 24:33 is that when you see these future signs take place, He is right at the door. He's not saying when the historical signs take place it's near, but the future signs. Besides, you know as well as I do that we need to interpret unclear passages in terms of the clearer ones. Rev. 6 & ff. is quite clear. The Olivet Discourse is quite a bit more challenging.
 
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Well, but you just said words like Near "really don't mean much to us". Now you say it does?
Why should it mean anything different in Matt 24:33, than it means in James 5:8-9, or Revelation 1:1-3?
 
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And you cannot break His covenant with Israel no matter how much you howl about it .... it stands .... past, present, and future

I cannot break the Mosaic Covenant, because God has replaced it with the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The purpose of the Abrahamic Covenant was to produce the Messiah, through which all of the nations would be blessed.
It's completion has done away with the Mosaic Covenant.

You are in denial of what is plainly written in the Book of Hebrews.

The New Covenant is now the only path to salvation.
If we truly love the Jewish people we need to tell them the truth. There is no Plan B.

The Church is not a parenthesis in God's Plan. The Church is the Plan.


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