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After listening to the "Four Horsemen" video clip of Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, and some other USA guy I can't accept the claim that there's no faith beliefs in atheism even if their faith beliefs are opposed to any gods and goddesses they know about.
Fair enough. [emoji1]Better than the three requirements previously listed, but vague. This requirement is in Evangelese, but most of us read English instead of Evangelese.
This isn't just a doctrinal issue. In the same manner MoreCoffee stated, there are things I disagree with concerning Catholicism. But that doesn't mean that a Catholic cannot be a brother.It's pronounced Hey-Zeus.
In all seriousness, you're running into the same problem I pointed out previously - relying upon the right interpretation, the right doctrine, accepting the right testimony, etc. as requirements to being Christian. It's not about being right.
In reality it's far simpler - do you follow the teachings of Jesus and do you worship the God of the Christians? If you answer yes to these two questions - you're a Christian.
It takes a lot of arrogance to declare other people aren't real Christians because they disagree with you on some doctrine or scripture, or because they don't believe in Jesus the way you believe in Jesus.
I don't think you realize how absurd your statement I quoted was...I hope gardener Jesus opens your eyes to the absurdity of telling people they don't have the right Jesus...
Accepting Jesus as Savior and affirming equality will not save you. But being born again will. And then you will accept that He's equal and divine.Last I checked, accepting Jesus as savior but denying His equality with the Father and divinity will send you straight down.
People don't go to hell for believing the wrong thing. People go to hell for sinning against a holy and righteous God. Unbelief is just one sin among many.Is Christianity about not going to Hell? Is that the core of the religion - avoiding punishment for believing the wrong thing or believing the wrong way?
That sounds like the worst religion possible - refusing to question the accepted beliefs for fear of Hell and focusing on believing the right things instead of simply worshiping God and doing what Jesus commanded. It also sounds nothing like what Jesus talked about in the gospels.
Remember that Jesus guy? He said some good stuff. You appear to have forgotten about that stuff because you're too busy arguing about the nature of god or how many angels can fit on the head of a pin - stuff that doesn't matter unless...what if you get it wrong!? What if Jesus sends you to Hell because you didn't believe in the him that believes in you believing in him!?
They would go to hell for sinning against a holy and righteous God.Would this mean, Hindu's and Muslims wouldn't go to hell, because they don't accept Jesus as God?
No, if they were born again they would be saved.That would mean believing in the wrong things sends them to hell, because according to your theology, if they believed in the right thing they wouldn't be sinning against your God.
That isn't what is being said. If a man commits a robbery, that was the actions of a man. It wasn't the actions of a lion, or a bird, or a woman. If someone says they are Christian, than their actions are the actions of a Christian.
No, if they were born again they would be saved.
Most of the Muslims in the country that attacked Americans weren't charged with terrorism, they were charged with "workplace violence". It's a double standard.
And no one was killed in the theatre that had the molotov cocktails thrown into it, and nobody died from tear gas, and nobody died from the car being driven into the theatre lobby. So tell me, again, how they are so similar? I guess it goes to show that Christians (if they were all Christians) make horrible terrorists. Sheesh.
Tertullian was orthodox before his downfall, and it wasn't due to his Trinitarian theology but due to other things; he was Trinitarian in his orthodox years.No evidence of that. He doesn't speak of the Trinity until he becomes a Montanist.
And the first use of the word "Trinity" wasn't by Tertullian. It was by Theophilius, Patriarch of Antioch, who was around earlier.
Apparently he did, in reference to the "God, his Word (Logos) and his Wisdom (Sophia)." Glad someone recognized that the Holy Spirit is a 'she.'
You believe things about God that are not supported in scripture.
As far as Christianity is concerned, Christ said "By their fruits you shall know them". Jesus said "This is the greatest commandment, that you love the Lord with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul, and the second is like unto it. You shall love your brother as yourself/as I have loved you". So in giving these commandments, Christ was telling us how someone who truly follows Him will act. While I, personally, can't see into someone's heart to know if their heart was turned, and maybe they are just having a bad day, I can judge their actions over time to know if they represent a changed heart.
. Jesus isn't the created spirit brother of Lucifer. He's the uncreated Creator. That's a gulf so wide between views that it cannot be crossed.
"By their fruits you shall know them" is one of the most misused and taken out of context verses in the New Testament. So to the original thread starter, I encourage you to read it for yourself in it's context to find out exactly WHO Jesus is talking about.
My recollection is that Jesus uses this as the touchstone for distinguishing true prophets from false ones.
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