The No true Scotsman Fallacy

bhsmte · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
Sometimes it's refreshing to use them. It helps to express that matters really are not simple.

In my experience, analogies can be helpful in matters that are more straight forward (simple), but are not as useful in more complex matters, that have qualities that are unique to itself.

seekingsolace · May 21, 2015

Hetta said:
It's also fine for people to answer posts addressed to other people. To my knowledge, that's not a rules violation.

When I have a question for you, shall I ask Hammster instead?

Hetta · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
Who places you in that body?

You shouldn't brand all churches the same.

Nobody is "branding". I'm expressing my personal experience, which is across a wide range of Protestant (and some non-Protestant) denoms, including several years membership in some of those churches. I'm 53. I've been a Christian since I was taken to church as a child.

Who places me in that body? My parents in the first place, and later my choice.

Hetta · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
When I have a question for you, shall I ask Hammster instead?

There's no need for this kind of attitude. I'll leave you to it as I go about my day.

seekingsolace · May 21, 2015

bhsmte said:
In my experience, analogies can be helpful in matters that are more straight forward (simple), but are not as useful in more complex matters, that have qualities that are unique to itself.

Indeed, it shows that an assertion made in the belief of something being 'black or white' is false. It helps to bring to attention an error in thought pattern.

bhsmte · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
When I have a question for you, shall I ask Hammster instead?

That is not what she said. I would read what people write a bit closer and not assume the words have different meanings.

seekingsolace · May 21, 2015

Hetta said:
Nobody is "branding". I'm expressing my personal experience, which is across a wide range of Protestant (and some non-Protestant) denoms, including several years membership in some of those churches. I'm 53. I've been a Christian since I was taken to church as a child.

Who places me in that body? My parents in the first place, and later my choice.

Your parents placed you into the Body of Christ?

bhsmte · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
Indeed, it shows that an assertion made in the belief of something being 'black or white' is false. It helps to bring to attention an error in thought pattern.

Yes, which is why the last analogy you used failed.

seekingsolace · May 21, 2015

bhsmte said:
That is not what she said. I would read what people write a bit closer and not assume the words have different meanings.

"It's also fine for people to answer posts addressed to other people."

Indeed you should. I'll address a post to Hammster, and you can answer for him.

seekingsolace · May 21, 2015

bhsmte said:
Yes, which is why the last analogy you used failed.

Did it? It seems to me you acknowledged things are not 'black and white' I consider that a success. Maybe it comes back to 'individual' disagreements.

morningstar2651 · May 21, 2015

Perhaps this is why my mind boggles at the emphasis on believing the right things in the right way: Religions are traditions and traditions aren't about being right or wrong.

I'm an American and my family celebrates the holiday of Thanksgiving. The English don't celebrate Thanksgiving and they aren't right or wrong for choosing not to celebrate the holiday - it just doesn't carry any meaning for them. The meaning of the holiday for me is different from its original meaning - it's a family reunion for me.

If you celebrate Thanksgiving, your family may have certain traditions - maybe you eat turkey every year at the dinner, the same person may carve the turkey every year, the same relative might bring deviled eggs every year, you might hold it at the same family member's house every year, etc. When I was a child, we would drive an hour to the same house owned by a member of my extended family, the husbands would all lounge around the den and talk about deer hunting, and my mom always brought the deviled eggs. We always had turkey, and I didn't like turkey but I was going to eat it because "it's tradition".

Many of my friends and neighbors celebrate Thanksgiving, but they don't celebrate it the same way as my family - their traditions aren't right or wrong - they're just different.

seekingsolace · May 21, 2015

Hetta said:
There's no need for this kind of attitude. I'll leave you to it as I go about my day.

No attitude. If you are happy for others to answer a question specifically addressed to you that's fine. I would not want another replying to a personal question asked such as "seekingsolace - do you eat vegetables?".

morningstar2651 · May 21, 2015

A New Dawn said:
You do know what 'targeting' means, right? I have to ask because none of those attacks surrounding the Last Temptation movie "targeted" human beings. They targeted theatres. No people were killed. The Muslim extremists (I have used that word each time) target people. They kidnap people and behead them, or stone them, or throw them off buildings.

So tell me why Doggert should have been charged as a terrorist when the others weren't? This is how I'm trying to figure out where your double standard is.

Are you arguing that all Christians are good people that would never kidnap, behead, stone, or defenestrate people?

Are you arguing that beheadings, stonings, and defenstration are fundamental parts of worship in Islam?

Thank you for affirming everything I stated about prejudice toward minority religions in my first post in this thread.

WirSindBettler · May 21, 2015

morningstar2651 said:
Are you arguing that all Christians are good people that would never kidnap, behead, stone, or defenestrate people?

Are you arguing that beheadings, stonings, and defenstration are fundamental parts of worship in Islam?

Thank you for affirming everything I stated about prejudice toward minority religions in my first post in this thread.

It's funny, because it's official Muslim doctrine that the preservation of life takes precedence over application of sharīʿah. For example, if you were walking through a wasteland and were about to starve, and it was certain that you would die unless you ate, and you saw a cute little piggy, even though pigs are ḥarām it would be ok to eat, as not to would be suicide which is also against sharīʿah.

If everyone is dead, the logic goes, who then can practice ʾIslām or please Allāh on Earth?

Preservation of life is the most important thing.

morningstar2651 · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
Perhaps if you were the person addressed this would be simple to understand.

He's not, so stop avoiding the question and answer it. If she is a Christian seeker, why could she not be a Christian?

morningstar2651 · May 21, 2015

Hammster said:
Is it wrong to tell someone that they are wrong?

Not wrong...possibly rude and tactless, but not wrong. Is there a difference between being Christian and being right? There must be few Christians if they are right about everything.

morningstar2651 · May 21, 2015

seekingsolace said:
When I have a question for you, shall I ask Hammster instead?

You could stop wasting your time posting these deflections. How about that?

If you have nothing to add to the conversations but excuses of why you don't want to participate in the conversation, you can always leave the conversation. Saves us both time.

Hammster · May 21, 2015

morningstar2651 said:
Not wrong...possibly rude and tactless, but not wrong. Is there a difference between being Christian and being right? There must be few Christians if they are right about everything.

I'm not understanding what you're asking.

Niblo · May 21, 2015

WirSindBettler said:
It's funny, because it's official Muslim doctrine that the preservation of life takes precedence over application of sharīʿah..

Just a wee clarification: You are correct when you say that a person dying of starvation may eat food normally considered haram. But this is not an act that 'takes precedence over the application of sharīah'; it is the application of sharīa.

Ironhold · May 21, 2015

Hammster said:
Jesus isn't the created spirit brother of Lucifer.

I find myself disappointed that this false accusation is still circulating.

The actual theology is that everyone who has ever existed and who ever will exist is the spiritual sibling of one another.

By extension, this means that Jesus is our Older Brother, and that Satan is unfortunately kin as well.

Some decades back, some random critic of the church decided to split the middle out of the theology and go straight to the "brothers" bit as a shock tactic.

Sure enough, few non-members have actually responded by investigating the claim for themselves.

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