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Critias said:Is there any theistic evolutionists here that can explain the Genesis myth conclusion? I am not looking for links, I am looking for your own words, with Scriptural support to show that Genesis is meant as a myth.
I have challenged this before and have never gotten a real response from anyone.
It would be beneficial to see an anylsis of Genesis showing that the author did indeed intend it to be understood as a myth.
No links, do your own investigation and analysis please. This will help others, who not of like mind, understand where you are coming from and why you see it that way. Just stating that there were other myths at the time so Genesis is a myth is a copout answer.
billwald said:"Myth" is define as a story of beginnings. A myth could be true or a fable.
billwald said:"Myth" is define as a story of beginnings. A myth could be true or a fable.
'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
You might want to actually investigate Levitcus 11:13 and see that the hebrew is flying creatures, not just birds.
Critias said:You might want to actually investigate Levitcus 11:13 and see that the hebrew is flying creatures, not just birds.
Is there anyone who can provide their own evidence of why they see Genesis as a myth? Or do you just say so because that is what you feel?
Here's my own perspective on the first few chapters of Genesis:Critias said:Is there anyone who can provide their own evidence of why they see Genesis as a myth? Or do you just say so because that is what you feel?
Joykins said:For what it's worth, I think the 2nd creation story in Genesis (Genesis 2 ff) pretty well fits the definition of allegory. (A simplified definition of an allegory would be a highly symbolic story where the symbolic meanings are more important than the literal ones. Characters and objects often represent something else, and these are often keyed by the names--for example, Christian and Lady Bountiful are names of characters in the allegory _Pilgrim's Progress_, and the Slough of Despond is the name of a place in that same book.)
The Serpent stands for Satan (the tempter)--this is the interpretation even of "literalists." And so forth.
I think that story is an allegory with mythic intent as it explains that we are NOT just like the animals, that we are moral actors--because we have the ability to understand good and evil, we are responsible for the decisions we make, we will inevitably use this knowledge to make "wrong" decisions; that this separates us from God; and yes, we can be tempted...
Joy
-Mercury- said:Here's my own perspective on the first few chapters of Genesis:
gluadys said:Case in point. In this story the serpent does not stand for Satan. At the time this story was written, the figure of Satan was not part of Jewish theology. Later, when Judaism imported the concept of Satan from the Zoroastrians, the rabbis' back-interpreted Satan into the story, but that was not the original intent of the author since he wrote at a time when Satan was unknown to the Jews.
Joykins said:I was thinking, primarily, of the role of Satan as "tempter" or even agent provocateur for God, as he is understood by the Jews even today. Was that understanding present when the story was written, do you know? I do know that the, um, demonization of Satan took place later, but was the import from Zoroastrianism one of name or function?
Joy
Crusadar said:Wow! did you see the dance that every one has done? Amazing isn't it, to extract so much from what is not there. Did it ever occur to all of you that God means what He says and says what He means?
But in case its just not getting through how about we hear a little bit of wisdom from Martin Luther:
"When Moses writes that God created heaven and earth and whatever is in them in six days, then let this period continue to have been six days, and do not venture to devise any comment according to which six days were one day [or millions of years]. But, if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six days, then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are.
For you are to deal with Scripture in such a way that you bear in mind that God Himself says what is written. But since God is speaking, it is not fitting for you wantonly to turn His Word in the direction you wish to go.
- What Martin Luther Says A Practical In Home Anthology for the Active. pp1523
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