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So are Musk's empty promises. He's been making grandiose claims about Mars for years and I don't buy any of them. Did Musk put humans on Mars last year? Well in 2018 he claimed he would. A quick search for his Mars claims shows these recent claims:Talking in soundbites is just irritating.
when they can get just one empty "starship" into orbit that will be a start.They will need to deal with radiation and weightlessness for the journey. My favorite schema is joining together 3 or 4 starships in a rotating loop to handle the gravity issue, Simple water barriers may well work for the radiation. But more thought needs to be put into the habitation module.
The basic concept of boosting these ships to geostationary orbit and refueling them for the journey to Mars seems solid and they have the internal space of two large family houses in one of these starships. If they join them in a larger ring, for the journey, then even more. It would be good to make the journey as short as possible as that is a risk factor. The larger the ship the less the psychological strains on the crew cooped together for the long journey.
Oh goody, even more launches just to get a return mission.Once landed toxicity, dust, possible machine failure and loss of key resources are all risk factors. But preparatory robot missions using the same hardware and carrying the necessities for fuel and oxygen, electricity and food production should resolve these issues. If the crops have failed or the base breaks then they should have a window before they even arrive to see this and to come back if necessary.
The key to success is to kick the hucksters aside. I think I am going to join the "robotic exploration" camp. This plan is ridiculously complicated just for scientific exploration.This should be exciting to someone with a scientific bent as in effect it is one of the most challenging things man has attempted in a long time.
Enough of this. I have actual science to do. No fantasy missions to Mars. No "origins debates."Or would you prefer an understanding of science that spends years debating origin theories it cannot prove rather than devoting itself to stuff it has a chance with?
I can imagine Charles I of Spain saying that he's not going to fund any more trips to the Americas. 'That last voyage cost me a fortune. And all they brought back was some inedible local food. Millions of pesetas for a bag of potatos. Forget it...'Just because man ran around the surface for a brief spell, left some footprints, and planted a flag, doesn't mean that he's subdued it and has dominion over it - or been instructed to by God as He did with the earth.
Millions (billions?) of dollars for a bag of rocks. Big hooey!
Not worth going anywhere, I guess.When we get to Mars, what do we do? What did we do when we got to the moon? We hit a golf ball. We rode a dune buggy around for a while. Picked up some rocks, when we have plenty of rocks on Earth. G. K. Chesterton once remarked that we have this "insidious habit" of discovering the North Pole.
When we get to Mars, what do we do? What did we do when we got to the moon? We hit a golf ball. We rode a dune buggy around for a while. Picked up some rocks, when we have plenty of rocks on Earth. G. K. Chesterton once remarked that we have this "insidious habit" of discovering the North Pole.
I've done the same in Utah.The Apollo Missions were like a package holiday to the most exotic location thus far. But when they got there they drove their car, toasted their families back home, sent a few postcards, brought back some rocks as souvenirs and enjoyed a game of golf.
Those are reasons for not doing it.Mars is an altogether longer trip and a bigger investment. The sacrifice is more comparable to early settlers in the first North American colonies. Survival rather than joy rides before the cameras is the more pressing issue. Many know that is a one way trip or at least saturated with uncertainty.
Therefore we need bigger heroes than Niel Armstrong to make the trip.
At least respect him enough to spell his name correctly.Therefore we need bigger heroes than Niel Armstrong to make the trip.
So are Musk's empty promises. He's been making grandiose claims about Mars for years and I don't buy any of them. Did Musk put humans on Mars last year? Well in 2018 he claimed he would. A quick search for his Mars claims shows these recent claims:
Five uncrewed starships to Mars in 2026 (made Oct 2024):
SpaceX Will Send Five Uncrewed Starships to Mars by 2026, Crewed Missions to Follow
Land on Mars in 3-4 years (2026-27), made Oct. 2023):
Elon Musk Says SpaceX Could Land on Mars in 3 to 4 Years (Published 2023)
Humans on Mars in 2029 (made March 2022):
Elon Musk Has New Estimate for When Humans Might First Step on Mars
when they can get just one empty "starship" into orbit that will be a start.
Oh goody, even more launches just to get a return mission.
The key to success is to kick the hucksters aside. I think I am going to join the "robotic exploration" camp. This plan is ridiculously complicated just for scientific exploration.
Enough of this. I have actual science to do. No fantasy missions to Mars. No "origins debates."
I could not find the face palm emoji to respond to your post.At least respect him enough to spell his name correctly.
There are no red Indians on Mars and black slaves would just be extra mouths to feed. So not like for like.Ask the Native Americans.
We need Vilos Kohaagen to run Mars.It is for others to find ways to makes Mars City work.
You killed and ill treated the original inhabitants so therefore we shouldn't explore? I thought the argument would have been better presented as 'Go exploring, but treat the locals you find with respect.'Ask the Native Americans.
We need Vilos Kohaagen to run Mars.
So things would be better if men were good. You should write a book.You killed and ill treated the original inhabitants so therefore we shouldn't explore? I thought the argument would have been better presented as 'Go exploring, but treat the locals you find with respect.'
I'm afraid that both your country and mine let ourselves down regarding that.
But wasn't he the bad guy in Total Recall. Not to be as petty as Tinker grumpy face
previously but I could not find the name at first because it's spelt: Vilos Cohaagen
Yeah, I wasn't comparing the Americas to Mars, but thanks for the info.There are no red Indians on Mars and black slaves would just be extra mouths to feed. So not like for like.
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