MrGoodBytes
Seeker for life, probably
I wonder if my "faith" in the depth of the Mariana Trench counts toward salvation.
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which is a fallacious argument on his part by far, none of the things he's claimed we "take on faith" are things that are impossible to verify by multiple people or extraordinary claims anywayI think the point AV wants to make is that because "we guys" accept statements "on faith", his taking different statements "on faith" is justified.
In order to do so, he has to establish that both situtations - in his example the depth of the Mariana Trench and Jesus' resurrection - are comparable.
"We guys" bring arguments why they are not comparable. AV simply denies them, but does not bring arguments for his own position. He just tries to bring every situation to the same level of "faith". Measurements, medicine, miracles... all the same "faith".
But if we should accept (or deny) every possible claim "on faith"... what are we left with? We could not make any distiction between true and false any more.
So he has to introduce a method of verification of his own: "They would not die for something they knew to be wrong."
Don´t you see that this simply adds another layer of claims to the first one? Foxe´s Book of Martyrs? How about using Mallory´s "Morte de Arthur" as verification for the Grail Legend?
It´s the only thing that he can do to justify his own claims of "faith"... If we can do it, so can he. Especially if he ignores and denies any possible differences.which is a fallacious argument on his part by far, none of the things he's claimed we "take on faith" are things that are impossible to verify by multiple people or extraordinary claims anyway
AV's claims however are extraordinary claims that no one can verify or prove.
so how do they relate again AV? how is the mariana trench being 7 miles deep and my trusting science to give me an good number about its deepness relate to the impossible claims in the bible again?
oh yeah, by you making absurd equivocations between trust in things that we haven't deemed not trusting in and faith in things that we have deemed impossible till proven otherwise.
next you will be claiming that we "walk in faith" when we step in an elevator and expect it to go up and down and not sideways
or we "Walk in faith" when we turn on the tv and expect to have a tv show there and not open a vortex to hell.
Real documentation doesnt depend on obscurantism.
I don't need to stoop that low --- there are plenty of better examples.or we "Walk in faith" when we turn on the tv and expect to have a tv show there and not open a vortex to hell.
I know you guys are avoiding the word 'documentation' like the plague --- but I expected it.
I don't need to stoop that low --- there are plenty of better examples.
I know you guys are avoiding the word 'documentation' like the plague --- but I expected it.
I rest my case.I know you guys are avoiding the word 'documentation' like the plague --- but I expected it.What does documentation have to do with anything?
there are? like what? because i haven't seen any that are not absurdI don't need to stoop that low --- there are plenty of better examples.
yet you can't seem to come up with a real argument thats not full of fallacies?I know you guys are avoiding the word 'documentation' like the plague --- but I expected it.
Not quite yet, you don'tI rest my case.
Documentation, Take your pick.
Holy Books of the World
It must be a profoundly sad way to live... not being able to trust anything except what other people write down.
A lot of whining and complaining, but what you present is the bases for what most people know about the physical Earth, particularly about it's past history.According to Wikipedia, the Mariana Trench reaches a maximum depth of 6.78 miles.If you accept this as factual, without going there and measuring it yourself --- even if everyone on earth goes there and measures it (except you) and comes back with the same figure --- then I contend that you're taking it on faith that the Mariana Trench has a maximum depth of 6.78 miles.
Faith in the written documentation and/or eyewitness testimony and/or anecdotal testimony --- either way --- it's still faith.
And I don't care if you're a taxi driver, a chef, a ballerina, or an oceanographer looking at computer printouts and sonar graphs; if you haven't gone there yourself, then you're [correctly] accepting the written documentation.
This is as it should be --- and it's called 'walking by faith'.
No. There is a little difference in these two "faiths" that you love to ignore.
You CAN verify this "Mariana trench" kind of faith... you cannot do that for the religious variant.
Yes, and it has set us FREE!
Let's not and say we did.
Some know too much, don't they?A lot of whining and complaining, but what you present is the bases for what most people know about the physical Earth, particularly about it's past history.
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