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The Location of the Ark of the Covenant

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Do all Oriental Orthodox Christians believe that the Ark is in Ethiopia or just Ethiopian Orthodox Christians?



 

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I haven't heard a statement on it for the other Churches. I'm sure the Coptic Church is sympathetic to the Ethiopian Churches point of view seeing how that church was once part of the See of Alexandria. I would hazard to guess that the other Churches of the Communion would likewise also have sympathies but I doubt there is anything dogmatic etc. otherwise I would have most likely heard it about it etc. so I don't think this kind of topic comes up.


Sorry nobody replied to you. This sleepy little board has been kind of dead where the few OO active on the board aren't paying close attention to new posts. But I am planning to spend more time here in the future.
 
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I believe that it is there and I am Coptic Orthodox, not Orthodox Tewahedo (though it is the same faith). But like Pavel, I don't know of any dogmatic stance on this issue.

It is sort of like how local tradition places the landfall of Noah's ark with the recession of the flood at Mt. Ararat (in historic western Armenia, currently occupied by Turkey). Obviously, it is probably more likely that you'd find that particular belief affirmed among Armenians as opposed to, say, Indian Orthodox or some other Orthodox people without an immediate relation to that geographic area and its history, but that doesn't mean that Orthodox Indians, Middle Eastern Syriacs, or Bolivians or whoevers might not also believe it, if they've heard about it. Conversely, they may not believe it. Unless there's some kind of announcement coming from their respective holy synods, you're highly unlikely to find uniformity among OO on these kinds of topics.
 
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I was reading up on the ark now, but check out this Anubis shrine. There are lots of things in Egyptian culture and some of the other pagan cultures that precede what is done by the Hebrews where they use the iconography, sacred practices for the worship of Yahweh. Anyway in 1922 in King Tut's tomb they found this Anubis shrine that is very similar to the ark of the covenant as far as 1) being on poles, 2) covered in God, 3) having secret compartments for storing sacred objects.


 
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I myself am strongly inclined to believe the Ark is in Ethiopia based on the reports of peculiar thermal damage to the church St. Haile Selassie had erected to house it, from which it then had to be moved to a simple reinforced concrete block hermitage. Of course, this isn’t a 100% guarantee, but it is certainly compelling.

I have not personally come across any Oriental Orthodox who flat out disagree with the Ethiopian Church on the subject of the Ark, although oddly enough I have encountered Coptic monks who gave the impresssion of loving the Ethiopians deeply, but not being comfortable, for example, with their Eucharistic prayers (specifically, they indicated that Pope Shenouda had formally restricted the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria to just using the three traditional Coptic anaphorae, namely, those of St. Basil, St. Cyril, and on major feasts, St. Gregory Nazianzus, which is interesting in that its prayers are addressed directly to Christ, as our Coptic members are no doubt aware). I got the impression that the restriction was intended to preclude the use of the Ethiopian anaphoras within the Coptic church.

This is the only case where I have encountered even the slightest whiff of possible disagreement with the Ethiopian and Eritrean churches, but even then, it is entirely possible there is no disagreement at all, and this measure was intended solely to preserve the distinctive attributes of the Coptic liturgy from possible dilution in the diaspora, and it may not even have been ordered with the Ethiopian church in mind. Perhaps Pope Shenouda, memory eternal, was concerned about the problems that were happening with non-denominational evangelical Protestant encroachment and undue influence on churches in the Patriarchal dioceses, which a few years ago had become somewhat of a cause for consternation (recall the legitimate and justified controversy about some parishes selling non-Orthodox books like A Purpose Driven Life). This understandably raised the spectre of unpleasant Eucharistic degradations, for example, the potential use of ex tempore prayer or non-standard forms of consecration.

In the end, that problem has been solved by His Holiness Pope Tawadros II, who has ordained several new diocesan bishops to preside over former Patriarchal territories, which have now been elevated into proper diocesan structures. The problem with the former model that was allowing for a creeping evangelical influence was basically that the General Bishops who resided in the Patriarchal areas did not have the same authority over parishes that diocesan bishops have over their parishes, such as the ability to remove and replace clergy or direct that things be done differently.

So I am inclined to assume that was the actual case, unrelated to any Ethiopian issue.
 
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