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The law (Ten Commandments only) must be abolished!

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Firstly I must ask that this not be made into a Sabbath tread. Forget about the Sabbath if you can.
It seems to me that Christians are advocating that they are better off without the Ten Commandments.
Paul made the point that the law is Holy, Just, Good and spiritual. (Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Read from verse 7-14)
Are these not characteristics of God? Jesus said God that was the only one Good Mat. 19:16. God is just Isa 45:21 Deut. 32:4. God is holy PS. 99:9 and Joshua 24:19. God is Spirit John 4:24.
In light of the fact that the law reflects God's character, how then is it good to have it abolished?
Is it not a rejection of God and His character if His law is nullified?
As a reflection of God's character would not the law be from everlasting to everlasting as He is? Ps. 90:2
 
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What Jesus nullified is the need to obey the Law as a means of ones justification. IOW, if I were to say that I must be obedient to a list of do's and don'ts in order to be worthy of heaven, then I am working to achieve heaven and by doing so, I nullify the cross. It is no good to me because I am doing it by myself but if I fail to be obedient to my list, then I can longer to worthy and can never be worthy.

Instead, Jesus came and did the hard part for me so that he is now my justification "if" I truly have faith in Him. Jesus obeyed the Law for me and the cross becomes the punishment which I deserved for disobedience. The focus has now changed for me and I no longer focus on a list of do's and don'ts.

Jesus gave us a New Command and now my focus is to allow the Holy Spirit, which is God's free gift to mankind, to change me so that I live in God's will. By loving others, I no longer break the do's and don'ts because if I love my neighbor, I will do him no wrong. By loving my neighbor, I will seek to help him, to do good and I become a light.

The Law is holy and good but the motivation changes for God's children. We no longer seek to obey the Law but instead, we seek to surrender to the Holy Spirit and walk in the Light.
 
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As far as I understand the bible, there was never a time when obeying the law was a means of Justification. Salvation was always by faith in Christ. Before and after the Cross.
 
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As far as I understand the bible, there was never a time when obeying the law was a means of Justification. Salvation was always by faith in Christ. Before and after the Cross.
A promise of salvation was given in the old testament and signs and shadows were given to help the people understand the promises that they had in the old testament but the old testament saints did not receive the promises until Christ came. He preached the gospel to those old testament saints when he descended into hades.
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. (Hebrews 11:13-16)​
 
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One is not saved by keeping the Ten Commandments but one who is saved keeps them in spirit. A saved person will not intentionally disobey them. The Spirit of the Law gives life and the letter of the Law brings death (for all have sinned).

Paul
What is keeping the law in Spirit?
 
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What is keeping the law in Spirit?

Loving God with all one’s heart, mind, and strength and one’s neighbor as their self prevents us from violating the Ten Commandments. Knowing the extent to which Jesus interpreted the Commandments (anger as a type of murder, lust as a type of adultery, doing good even on the 7th day, etc.) and walking in this agape’ He first showed us (knowing we deserve condemnation but have received such grace), we come to know only YHVH as the true God and therefore can worship no other, we do not murder, we would not steal or covet, we would have a love for the truth, and so on, because the Holy Spirit is in us, leading us and guiding us. And we do all this because we want to please Him for He is our loving Father who we trust our lives to. So you see we obey Him because we want to not because we have to in humility and contrition.

Paul
 
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Excellent then we can agree that the Ten Commandments still stands.
 
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I said that the Ten Commandments must be abolished because it is a transcript of God's character and satan would have it erased just because of that. He is in direct opposition to God and all that is of Him.
I believe that all of us as christians are doing the work of satan by advocating that the ten Commandments are abolished
 
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Elder, you said...

Excellent then we can agree that the Ten Commandments still stands.

No doubt about it. Only keeping them does not save. Only God saves because all have sinned (by grace through faith). God's means of salvation have never changed and neither have His commands (all 613) only how we are to understand them.

When we have a son or a daughter who obeys because they have to we believe this is good, and it is, but when er have a child who has a heart unto these things and does it because it is of their character to do so we can only be proud. Now neither is perfect and at one time or another may mess up but which is after your own heart? The who feels to do so because they have to may at times resent doing so but the one whose heart compels them to that which is right it is never a burden.

The Lord loves both types of His children but one like David was a man after His own heart...He was special. The law is good and Holy, we can obey the letter and hate God for it but if it is our nature to do these things...well then that is another story.

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Keeping the ten commandments is not for salvation but because we have accepted salvation. I do not understand why keeping God's commands always ends up instating that it is to be saved. No one said that! Salvation is by Christ but He said if we love Him keep His commandments. The ten commandments are separate from all the other laws. Moses did not write them for one, and God made sure of that. Still we put it with Mosaic laws. God did not how can we?
 
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Mosaic Law.........


Paul takes one aspect of the Mosaic Law (circumcism) and beats the Galatians over the head with it.


Gal 3:1~~ O stupid/asinine Galatians!
Who has hypnotized you?
Before whose eyes {the mind's eye of the Galatians}
Jesus Christ has been publicly displayed crucified among you!
Then starting at 3:10 Paul explains that if you want to
stay "under the law" you continue to be cursed by the law. And,
that seems to be the status of your friends:
10~~ For as many as are
under the works of the law
are under the curse {of the Mosaic Law}.
For it is written {Deuteronomy 27:26},
"Cursed be all ones
that fail to keep on abiding in ALL things (not just the 10 comm),
which are written in the book of the law to do them".
{Note: Break one Mosaic Law and you are guilt of breaking them all - Deuteronomy 27:26 - which is part of the Mosaic Law. To be saved by WORKS you must be PERFECT! And, only Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law. "I do not come to break the law, but to fulfill it."}
11~~ But that no one receives justification
in the sphere of the law in the sight of God . . . evident.
For, the justified ones shall live out of the source of faith/doctrine.
12~~ And the law is not of faith/doctrine {Leviticus 18:5},
"But, the man that having done them,
shall live, in the future, in them."
13~~ Christ has once and for all
redeemed us out from the curse of the law,
(for it is written {Deuteronomy 21:22-23},
"Under a curse is every one
who keeps on hanging on The Wood")
having become a curse for us.
That passage is pretty clear that Christ has taken us "out from" being under the curse of the Law.
Mostly in Hebrews it talks about the higher law - such as living
not just the Sabbath as to God, but everyday as unto the Lord.
The doctrine of the Mosaic law


It is very important to understand the recipients of the Mosaic law. They can be divided into three very simple points. a) It was given to Israel — Exodus 19:3; Leviticus 26:46; Romans 3:19; 9:4; b) It was not given to the Gentiles — Deuteronomy 4:8; Romans 2:12-14; c) Christians — Church Age believers — are not under the law. It was not given to the Church. It is not an authorizing agent for any part of the royal priesthood — Acts 15:5, 24; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19.


Christ is the end of the law for the royal family, for Church Age believers, for the royal priesthood — Romans 10:4. And in effect there is a conflict between the royal priesthood of the believer and the former Levitical priesthood. The conflict is resolved by the annulment, the abrogation of the law. The law is not in function today.

Believers of the Church Age, members of the royal family under a higher law. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the badge of royalty. The filling of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of the higher law, the superseding law, the law which nullifies the Mosaic law — Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 5:18, 22, 23; 1 Corinthians chapter 13.


The recipients of the law was the nation Israel — Exodus 19:3; Leviticus 26:46; Romans 3:19; 9:4. It was definitely not given to the Gentiles — Deuteronomy 4:8; Roman 2:12-14. It was, furthermore, not given to the Church — Acts 15:5,24; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19.

Jesus Christ and the law. Jesus Christ kept the law perfectly during the period of His incarnation. This is a part of the doctrine of impeccability, it is also a part of His patriotism. Christ condemned the legalistic distortions of the law and the Pharisees who sponsored them. Christ fulfilled the law — Matthew 5:17, and Christ is the end of the law for believers — Romans 10:4.

Keeping the law is also not spirituality. Believers in the Church Age and/or the royal family of God are under the higher law of spirituality related to God the Holy Spirit, (1 John 1:9) — Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 5:18,22,23; 1 Corinthians 13.


a) It cannot justify — Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:20,28; Acts 13:39; Philippians 3:9.

b) It cannot give life — Galatians 3:21.

c) It cannot provide the Holy Spirit — Galatians 3:2.

d) It cannot solve the problem of the old sin nature — Romans 8:4.

Romans 6:10-14 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
 
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let's look at a summary of the 10 commandments and you tell me exactly how each of them is God's character; remembering that God's character is unchanging and eternal so whatever you attribute to God's character must always have been his character and will always be his character.

I will use the common Protestant numbering and content.
  1. You shall worship no other gods.
  2. You shall not make yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything . . . ; you shall not bow down to them or serve them . . .
  3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God . . .
  4. Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy. (Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord; you and your children and your servants shall not do any work [among other things, give your servants a break] . . . )
  5. Honour your father and your mother [that is, look after them in their old age]. . . [Addressed to adult children]
  6. You shall not commit murder or manslaughter.
  7. You [wives and betrothed women] shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not enslave [another free Israelite].
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
  10. You shall not make a wrongful attempt to acquire your neighbour's possessions, including his servants, his animals, or his wife.
 
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