The Illegal Invasion Problem

TrustAndObey · Jun 9, 2007

DRL said:
Mexico has many natural resources if they would only develop them and use their own people to develop their country.
Like I said earlier, I am an American of Mexican descent.
Mexico could be a properous country, but from what I have heard from relatives there, the wealth does not go to build up their country. It goes into the pockets of those who have the money. I love my relatives and am proud of my Mexican roots, but if they want to come here, do it legally.

I totally agree. And that's what this country is all about...you definitely can have a better life, if you work for it. Coming here illegally just sets the stage for more illegal activity and never really feeling "free" anyway. If you had to worry about deportation because you're breaking the law, then what kind of freedom is that?

I read an interesting article the other day about illegals that come forward in order to pay their taxes. In reality, the ones that came forward wanted the EIC (earned income credit). That's a refund on money you didn't even pay in. It's for poor single parents or couples that fall below the poverty level in most cases.

DRL said:
My relatives grow all kinds of things. When a sister was visiting Mexico, she was told not to ask what was planted. HMMMMMM, I can only guess what it is.
Did you know the Mexican government wrote a booklet telling people how to cross the border illegally??

It's in the Mexican government's best interest to get more people over here, so I'm not a bit surprised. Think about it, they're receiving aid from us, and the illegal immigrants that come here are sending money back to their families there in Mexico. That helps the Mexican economy for sure.

DRL said:
What to do about it?? Jesus is coming again and the only thing I can think of is to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Only Jesus can change hearts, minds, souls.
DRL

I agree, but we do have to enforce our laws in the meantime.

TrustAndObey · Jun 9, 2007

OntheDL said:
I know many illegals because I play soccer with them. Honestly I do not one person who's on medicaid.

Where I live, NYC area probably has the highest concentration of Latinos legal and illegal, the few times I had to go to emergency room, I never saw a latino there. I don't think you can receive Medicaid if you are illegal. Most of them I know go to hispanic doctors who charge at a fraction.

Think about that for a minute though. If they're illegal and don't have medicaid, then that's just a faster route for bankrupting hospitals.

Even if they go to an Hispanic doctor, that doctor doesn't have the capacity (legally or financially) to perform an emergency c-section. A hospital is required for that. If they don't even have Medicaid, or insurance, who is footing the bill?

OntheDL said:
Most people on medicaid or medicare I have seen in the hospitals were born here but aren't willing to work.

Or are retired (after years of working very hard). It's also for people that are disabled.

OntheDL said:
I think to say the illegals are the problem for health care and social security is oversimplifying it. Social security was designed to fail. When baby boomers reach the retirement age, the system will collapse from its own weight.

No real argument from me there. However, we're just making sure it happens sooner when we allow people to receive the benefits that never paid into the plan to begin with.

OntheDL said:
I had a fair share of traffic tickets (a lot) when I was in college. So I'm fairly familiar with the manicipal court rooms scenes. There are bad people in every group. But the vast majority of criminals in jail are people who were born here.

There are several websites with statistics on this. Worth the read for sure. And that's another problem. If an illegal immigrant gets caught committing a crime punishable by incarceration, why are we paying for that? Shouldn't they be deported for the original crime for Mexico to pay for?

OntheDL said:
The Chinese immigrants built the rail road system to the west. And then the senate passed laws to deport them and closed the doors on chinese immigrants. The senate recently apologized for that. Was that injustics?

OntheDL, I love you and you know it, so I'm just going to poke a little fun at that new word you used there. Injustics?

But yes, I do think that was injustice for sure.

OntheDL said:
Think of it as an opportunity to witness to all these catholic people. You don't even to take a missionary trip for it.

Oh and I do! I'm actually taking Spanish classes next semester. #1 because I wouldn't be a very good nurse if I don't understand half of the patients I work with without a translator and #2 because it's become almost mandatory to survive where I live.

Don't think I won't use the newfound language to witness for God, because I certainly will.

OntheDL said:
All I'm saying is that this is a land of the immigrants. All should be welcome to come in pursuit of a better life.

They are welcome. As long as they go through the legal channels and follow the American rules.

Why start out a new life when the very first thing you do to get that life is break the law of your new country?

DRL · Jun 9, 2007

I do agree TrustandObey, we do have to enforce our immigration laws.
A joke I heard many years back about the Indians and the Pilgrims: The Indians had lousy immigration laws!!
I speak Spanish also, but I was not raised speaking Spanish. I learned it like everyone else-in high school and college. I use it everyday with patients. I am an occupational therapist. I encourage all my patients to learn english.
Diana

TrustAndObey · Jun 9, 2007

DRL said:
I do agree TrustandObey, we do have to enforce our immigration laws.
A joke I heard many years back about the Indians and the Pilgrims: The Indians had lousy immigration laws!!
I speak Spanish also, but I was not raised speaking Spanish. I learned it like everyone else-in high school and college. I use it everyday with patients. I am an occupational therapist. I encourage all my patients to learn english.
Diana

HAHA, yeah, the Indians did have lousy immigration laws.

I think if we could all go back in time and keep a lot of that from happening, we would.

History is so ugly. I live right by part of the Trail of Tears.

I do see some beauty in the fact that so many people came here and went through so much to become a part of this country, to give their families a better chance for a good life. They worked hard, and my mother-in-law still has a book her greatgrandmother (it might've been her great greatgrandmother) was given on Ellis Island about how to become a legal citizen of the United States. It was a lot.

And back then you had to swear an oath to uphold the laws here and to love this country for its freedom.

OntheDL, I really do not have one thing against the Mexican PEOPLE and I mean that sincerely. I worked with one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet and he could make you laugh on your worst day. Every single person on this earth deserves a chance for a good life and to hear the good news of Christ.

I just wanted to make that clear in case I haven't. It isn't prejudice.

BUT...I go to school with a lot of girls trying to get into the same nursing program that I am, and even if they become the best nurse in the country, if I've personally seen them cheat to get there...they still didn't earn the right to make it.

Anything worth having is worth working for and doing properly.

OntheDL · Jun 9, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
OntheDL, I love you and you know it, so I'm just going to poke a little fun at that new word you used there. Injustics?

But yes, I do think that was injustice for sure.

yeah, my mind is in too many places. Did I post that they used to give me medicines for my ADD? I think I still have it or the medicines messed me up.

They are welcome. As long as they go through the legal channels and follow the American rules.

Why start out a new life when the very first thing you do to get that life is break the law of your new country?

Yeah imagine the Indians told the pilgrams not to come? In no way I think you are prejudiced. I think we all need to be reminded how we or our anscestors came here, and this land was open to all who wished to come. Don't put restrictions on who can come and who can't. That, I think will solve the illegal immigration issues. Make them go through proper steps to become contributors of this country.

TrustAndObey · Jun 9, 2007

OntheDL said:
yeah, my mind is in too many places. Did I post that they used to give me medicines for my ADD? I think I still have it or the medicines messed me up.

I think I have ADD to some extent too. Honestly, I think what's wrong with me may be more along the lines of post-traumatic stress disorder.

My child is so hyperactive that I seriously have gotten to the point that I cannot stand total quiet and I keep expecting something loud to happen. I am so used to be jerked out of "study mode" over something loud, that I can't study when it's quiet anymore, I just CANNOT do it.

OntheDL said:
Yeah imagine the Indians told the pilgrams not to come? In no way I think you are prejudiced. I think we all need to be reminded how we or our anscestors came here, and this land was open to all who wished to come. Don't put restrictions on who can come and who can't. That, I think will solve the illegal immigration issues. Make them go through proper steps to become contributors of this country.

The Indians expected the Pilgrims to do their part and help. The Pilgrims didn't expect a free hand out.

OntheDL, our ancestors had to go through a very strict regime to get into this country. Which they did happily.

OntheDL said:
Make them go through proper steps to become contributors of this country.

That's exactly how it works already, but they aren't doing it legally. That's the whole problem.

OntheDL · Jun 9, 2007

TrustAndObey said:
I think I have ADD to some extent too. Honestly, I think what's wrong with me may be more along the lines of post-traumatic stress disorder.

My child is so hyperactive that I seriously have gotten to the point that I cannot stand total quiet and I keep expecting something loud to happen. I am so used to be jerked out of "study mode" over something loud, that I can't study when it's quiet anymore, I just CANNOT do it.

Please don't drug up your kid. I think 'ADD' kids have nothing wrong. They are just smart, fast learners and get bored quickly.

TrustAndObey · Jun 10, 2007

OntheDL said:
Please don't drug up your kid. I think 'ADD' kids have nothing wrong. They are just smart, fast learners and get bored quickly.

No drugs. If I was going to do that, trust me, I already would've.

He's the spitting image of me as a kid and I turned out just fine without drugs. I was always a quick learner that had an insatiable appetite for information and knowledge. He's the same way.

I tried cutting sugar (in juices) out of his diet, etc. to see if it was that, but it's not.

I have noticed he gets unreasonable if he drinks orange juice, but nothing like the kids I've seen on television that go completely insane for a little while after drinking it.

I've cut back the time he spends playing learning games and I take him outside more now that it's nice.

He gets better all the time. Honestly, I blame myself because I had a VERY stressful pregnancy with him. That wasn't his fault, but the poor guy is definitely paying for it.

He demands a lot of attention. When I'm studying, we're basically at war. HA!

honorthesabbath · Jun 30, 2007

WOW--I can hardly believe it but the Senate once again defeated that horrible 'amnesty' bill that Kennedy/Bush and Kyl were pusing so hard for.

I guess if we yell loud enough (which many of us did thru our faxes-phone calls and e-mails) they will listen.

One thing that many Americans were not aware of, is that tucked neatly into this bill was the "National ID Card" clause. Now these politicians know that the American ppl do NOT want to have to 'show their papers' as did those living in Nazi Germany during the Hitler years--and so--knowing that this "ID" bill would fail--they imbedded it into the "immigration' bill hoping that it would pass the scrutiny of "We The People". Praise GOD it didn't!

So to all of you who fought this bill so bravely--thank you!

PS--By the way--a national ID will make it oh so easy to 'enforce' the Sunday!

JonMiller · Jun 30, 2007

ADD kids are normally very intellgient (I was one, btw). I think, and feel, like the Ritalin slowed me down (I asked to be put off it in 4th grade, I think). While I understand that sometimes medication is needed, I for the most part recommend to stay away from it (and also, sometimes ADD is diagnosed when really it is just a normal kid with issues, probably from too much TV).

Young adult ADD people (12+) often abuse it also.

JM

honorthesabbath · Jun 30, 2007

mjona3 said:
ADD kids are normally very intellgient (I was one, btw). I think, and feel, like the Ritalin slowed me down (I asked to be put off it in 4th grade, I think). While I understand that sometimes medication is needed, I for the most part recommend to stay away from it (and also, sometimes ADD is diagnosed when really it is just a normal kid with issues, probably from too much TV).

Young adult ADD people (12+) often abuse it also.

JM

HUH?

OntheDL · Jul 5, 2007

honorthesabbath said:
I realize that this may be a hot topic of contention among some, but it needs to be addressed in the light of prophecy.

Please understand that this is NOT an attack on the Catholic people, but we must understand the ideologies behind this invasion from Mexico.

These illegals pouring across our borders are being encouraged to so by the powers that be and I believe there is a more sinister motive behind it than just the American Union that Bush and his croonis are advocating. It goes to heart of getting rid of FREE America and the setting up of the 'beast power'.

Here are a few quotes of interest...

The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, ersuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see exemplified the prophet's words: "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. CG, 592.

To secure popularity and patronage, legislators will yield to the demand for a Sunday law....
By the
decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. . . .(Keep in mind that the majority of these crossing our borders are Catholic. They have already shown their disrespect for our laws-their loyalty is not to our Constitution--but to the Pope of Rome. They will do HIS will)

If you haven't done so, I would encourage all to read..
Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniquy. In this book he outlines Romes plan for the downfall of Protestant America to make it the Popes America.

With our Supreme Court now 99% Roman Catholic, we have seem that they only intend to play out the plans of whom they are loyal--the pope.

We are very near the end folks, EGW was right on target about her prophecies for this country.

A few other sites of interest...

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty264.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Schwiesow/jim25.htm

During one of the Mexican demonstations in our country--they were holding signs that said "Today we march, tomorrow we VOTE"!! Vote on what? And who give illegal's the RIGHT to vote? Once again, our 'legislators' are committing treason against our nation and people. Who is at the root of this?

It's time to get active friends, EGW even told us to not allow tyranny free reign, we are to do all in our power to stave off satanc influences that would deprive us of our GOD GIVEN Freedoms, especially our RELIGIOUS freedoms.

So what say ye?

Here is a video of James Arrabito interviewing Hiram Dukes confirms it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WShGuCbhMEs

JonMiller · Jul 5, 2007

honorthesabbath said:
HUH?

ADD, Attention Deficit Disorder.

(I think I was ADHD, but that might be the same thing)

I know lots of college students who take Ritalin or other medication before tests and the like, to help them study. Some even snort it (as it is a lot more intense that way). Some of those who do refuse to do other drugs... I don't think that they realise what they are abusing.

JM

DrStupid_Ben · Jul 5, 2007

Well, being an Australian, I can't really comment on your situation in America with much authority. I will say that we have our own illegal immigration problems and solutions. The solution that the Australian governmant came up with is something similar to Guantanamo Bay. That is, all illegal immigrants caught, are sent to detention centres, some on remote Pacific Islands which the governmant have made deals with, and people can be held indefinately.

I find it hard to look past the great hypocracy of a colonial nation denying entrance to refugees and immigrants. Both Australia and America were colonial nations that invaded another peoples land, and then made laws to limit the freedom and liberty of the indigenous people.

I must say that I don't follow the idea of Sunday Law. To me it is something that belongs in the history books. The idea was a threat to early adventists with a strong apocalyptic leaning, but there is so much more to the issue of beast worship than which day it is on. There have already been various Sunday laws in small parts of the globe, like some of the Pacific nations and I believe in some parts of America in the 19th century.

When I read about the idea of a plan by the Catholic Church making the plan for Mexican Catholics to get the vote in order to bring in a Sunday Law, the words "conspiracy theory" and "crazy" come to mind. But I will look into it a bit further. I am always wary of conspiracy theories, particularly Christian ones.

By the way, honorthesabbath, gathering from your love of the constitution, do you know much about Rep. Ron Paul, who is a Republican candidate for the Presidency nominee and has serious Libertarian leanings?

DrStupid_Ben · Jul 6, 2007

OntheDL said:
Here is a video of James Arrabito interviewing Hiram Dukes confirms it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WShGuCbhMEs

I'm sorry, he lost me in part 4 when he said the Catholic Church started communism in Russia. He has to be joking!

OntheDL · Jul 6, 2007

DrStupid_Ben said:
I'm sorry, he lost me in part 4 when he said the Catholic Church started communism in Russia. He has to be joking!

The Illuminati's deviced and financed the Bolshevik Revolution. The Illuminati's are a front organization of the jesuits and it was founded by Adam Weishaupt 1776, a jesuit.

DrStupid_Ben · Jul 6, 2007

OntheDL said:
The Illuminati's deviced and financed the Bolshevik Revolution. The Illuminati's are a front organization of the jesuits and it was founded by Adam Weishaupt 1776, a jesuit.

Adam Weishaupt was educated by Jesuits when he was younger, but you can't say he was a Jesuit.

Also, the Bolshevik party recieved some of their funding from German-Jewish Bankers, some of whom were Zionists. This is an acceptable piece of history. The most probable reason for this was that they wanted to have business interests with the winning side of a revolution. They certainly didn't devise the 1917 Octeober Revolution by the Bolshevik party. The documented link between the Zionist bankers, the Illuminati, and the Jusuits just isn't there.

honorthesabbath · Jul 6, 2007

OntheDL said:
I'm actually caught in the middle on this matter. I'm friends with some illegal immigrants.

They are very much like all of us or our anscestors, came here at one point looking for a better life.

Not everyone has a way to come 'legally'. I'm not just speaking of the Latinos. If you don't have a direct family member here (father-mother, son-daughter), or passed test and have been accepted into colleges, or being sponsored to come to work because of 'special' skills, you will probably never receive a visa with a work permit.

What's wrong with granting worker's visa of 3-5 years? Americans aren't going to work in car washes, hotels... They are too good to do such jobs. Someone has to do them. Who are we to say: 'that's it, the door is closed. No more.'

I know alot of illegal paid thousand of dollars in fee to the smugglers to take a dangerous trip to come here. Their dreams and future depends on it. For them, America is still the land of opportunity.

Isn't that the spirit of America? A refuge for ALL who wishes to come for economic, political or religious reasons, regardless?

I have seen families being torn apart. When one parent is deported or going back, they won't see they children for years. Why not give amnesty to those have been for a long time and have family and children here? They don't deserve health care when they get sick? Most illegals work, to repay the fee and support their family. That's what they came here for. They are different from the homeless. Give them work visas, have them work on the book, pay tax and receive fair benefits.

This is the same argument I have about the terrorists. "America is great because America is good. When America ceases to be good, America ceases to be great". America is blessed is not because of the land, the law or the system. It's because the people are righteous and just. When Israel was right with God, it had no enemies.

Think about it, we are all immigrants. This land belonged to the indians who were slaughtered to make room for the immigrants. What if your grandfather or grandmother came here illegally? Did you know that many killed themselves on Ellis Island rather than being forced to go back? Many of them today still risk their lives coming to America.

When the Pilgrams landed on the shores, did the Indians ask them to sign a legal paper to promise to learn the native indianlanguage and to never kill them and take the land? No. They brought food out for them. People come in search of a better life. You got yours. Let them.

Yeah--Dl--the Indians gave them food--and then look at the thanks that got in return.

The invading army (Mexicans) will not treat us any better once they take control--and make no mistake--this is their GOAL--they have stated so publicly. Already they act like this is their country. They are so rude in the stores. I've seem them push people aside so they can be next in line. Because they have no driver licenses or insurance--when they cause an accident--as they frequently do--they RUN from the scene. I know this for a fact--because I chased one down several years ago when she slamed into another car. So you see--once they get here--they KEEP ON breaking our laws.

The majority coming here are not nice people. And to try to justify them breaking our laws so they can have a better life--couldn't we apply that same logic to bank robbers? After all--all they want is a better life--more money--right?

Sorry-I'll never have sympathy for people who break laws and then expect to be treated with respect--nope--won't happen.

OntheDL · Jul 6, 2007

DrStupid_Ben said:
Adam Weishaupt was educated by Jesuits when he was younger, but you can't say he was a Jesuit.

Also, the Bolshevik party recieved some of their funding from German-Jewish Bankers, some of whom were Zionists. This is an acceptable piece of history. The most probable reason for this was that they wanted to have business interests with the winning side of a revolution. They certainly didn't devise the 1917 Octeober Revolution by the Bolshevik party. The documented link between the Zionist bankers, the Illuminati, and the Jusuits just isn't there.

The bible points out this beast power is behind all the bloodshed of the world, Rev 17:6, 18:24. All the wars of the world can be traced back to Rome.

Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit professor of Canon law. He only became an 'ex'-Jesuit after the jesuits were thrown into the prisons by the monarches of Europe. The Illuminatis were the jesuits going under ground.

And the jewish financiers of the revolutions of Europe were controlled by the jesuits. For example, the House of Rothschild is called 'the Treasurer of Vatican' by the Encyclopedia Judaica.

You need to educate yourself on this topic, dig deeper.

honorthesabbath · Jul 6, 2007

DrStupid_Ben said:
Well, being an Australian, I can't really comment on your situation in America with much authority. I will say that we have our own illegal immigration problems and solutions. The solution that the Australian governmant came up with is something similar to Guantanamo Bay. That is, all illegal immigrants caught, are sent to detention centres, some on remote Pacific Islands which the governmant have made deals with, and people can be held indefinately.

I find it hard to look past the great hypocracy of a colonial nation denying entrance to refugees and immigrants. Both Australia and America were colonial nations that invaded another peoples land, and then made laws to limit the freedom and liberty of the indigenous people.

I must say that I don't follow the idea of Sunday Law. To me it is something that belongs in the history books. The idea was a threat to early adventists with a strong apocalyptic leaning, but there is so much more to the issue of beast worship than which day it is on. There have already been various Sunday laws in small parts of the globe, like some of the Pacific nations and I believe in some parts of America in the 19th century.

When I read about the idea of a plan by the Catholic Church making the plan for Mexican Catholics to get the vote in order to bring in a Sunday Law, the words "conspiracy theory" and "crazy" come to mind. But I will look into it a bit further. I am always wary of conspiracy theories, particularly Christian ones.

By the way, honorthesabbath, gathering from your love of the constitution, do you know much about Rep. Ron Paul, who is a Republican candidate for the Presidency nominee and has serious Libertarian leanings?

Yes Ben--I admire Ron Paul and his courage to speak the truth. He is a true Constitutionist--what used to be called a "Statesmen". Have you noticed how the main stream media has tried to black ball him? Oh yeah--I now you don't like conspiracies--but once you understand what is really going on in this world--you would.

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