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The ice age and the flood

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Understanding that Christ is the way the truth and the life is very different to calling him scripture.
 
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Just one? Fish are older than plants. Want more? Arthropods. I can give you a lot more if you want.


hahahaaaa...
Fish are older...

LOL

Chlorophyll filled bacteria with cell walls appeared in the oceans firwt and produced that oxygen that had not yet been life supporting on earth.
That happened more than a billion years after the first sprouts of life had appeared.
 
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Understanding that Christ is the way the truth and the life is very different to calling him scripture.
Jesus explained how He fulfilled the psalms and prophets..etc. So, I will take the bible as His word, and Jesus as the living word, the fulfillment of the words He gave to man. That makes the whole thing important and not to be trifled with.
 
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Jesus explained how He fulfilled the psalms and prophets..etc. So, I will take the bible as His word, and Jesus as the living word, the fulfillment of the words He gave to man. That makes the whole thing important and not to be trifled with.

You are equating something finite, with something that is infinite. You are equating something created with something that was not created. In all cases you are wrong.
 
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You are equating something finite, with something that is infinite. You are equating something created with something that was not created. In all cases you are wrong.
Funny John mentions 'that which we have handled'. We can handle a bible also. The words Jesus spoke He said ARE spirit, and life. So you can't trivialize them.

I notice no swarm of experts questioned the rapid layer forming freezing of flood waters. It is in keeping apparently with the evidences! How interesting. Knowing evos, if they coulda shot the idea down, they would have been popping up and shooting!
 
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Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
 
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Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Nevertheless Jesus said not one jot or tittle would fail from the scriptures. So we have the very words from God. How could we toss aside whole sections wily nily to please science?
 
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Nevertheless Jesus said not one jot or tittle would fail from the scriptures. So we have the very words from God. How could we toss aside whole sections wily nily to please science?

False accusation most likely based on your insistence that something has to be literal for it to be true.
 
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I notice no swarm of experts questioned the rapid layer forming freezing of flood waters.
What rapid freezing of what flood waters?

It is in keeping apparently with the evidences! How interesting.
What evidence demonstrates rapid freezing of flood waters?

Knowing evos, if they coulda shot the idea down, they would have been popping up and shooting!

Not much point... we all know you are "undefeated" by logic or correction of your errors.
 
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What rapid freezing of what flood waters?
Well I am open to someone making a case that it was the waters from above that froze. However, I lean to the waters that came up from below.

What evidence demonstrates rapid freezing of flood waters?
The evidence I referred to that it was in keeping with was the evidences like ice cores, and a lot of ice at the poles, etc etc.


Not much point... we all know you are "undefeated" by logic or correction of your errors.
Now now, petty jealousy is not something we need to be dealing with here.
 
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? What is false? The perceived need to agree with science??

Your post pretty much boiled down to you stating erroneously that I discard parts of the Bible based on Science, I don't I discard literalism because nowhere in the Bible does it make sense to apply it, each part of the Bible needs to be looked at in the context in which it was written otherwise we get nothing from it, each part of the Bible says more than one thing and it is demonstrably wrong for us to just take the surface reading.
 
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Like I said... no evidence of anything (ice cores do not equate to rapid freezing) and not much point. Plus an ad hominem at the end.

Nothing to see here folks.. move along
 
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Ice cores can equate to rapid freezing. Any comment on the OP?

Yeah, I have a comment, I wonder why you are trying to rationalize a supernatural event like the flood. What is next? Explaining that Jesus resurrected Lazarus by creating an electrical charge that restarted his heart? Why do you want to determine how the flood happened? There is a reason why those things are called "miracles" and "divine" acts.
 
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Yeah, I have a comment, I wonder why you are trying to rationalize a supernatural event like the flood.

Worse yet, why are you trying to present state naturalize it!!??
What is next? Explaining that Jesus resurrected Lazarus by creating an electrical charge that restarted his heart?

How the dead are renewed to life is beyond men. Ask science! All you can do is wonder...and be amazed.
Why do you want to determine how the flood happened?
I thought that was known? God opened the windows of heaven and founts of the deep. No mystery there. The thread is about the freezing of the waters later...the ice age. I have to tell you this??

There is a reason why those things are called "miracles" and "divine" acts.
I don't call them that. I guess you have your reasons. By the way, what are they?
 
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Hey sober up and get back to us. So called science is the myth.
 
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Here ya go Dad - this should clear things up.

According to Dr. Hovind, space is full of ice comets, and one hit the earth at the time of the flood. Apparently, it was -300 degrees (!!) and this caused the ice age, the axial tilt, froze the mammoths, etc.

Some of the ice fragments created the rings around the other planets.

Creation Science College Class 104: Lies in the Textbooks - Class 02 - Dr. Kent Hovind - YouTube



(For my own safety, and that of my brain cells, I had to bail at the two minute mark, but I'm sure the information is all there for you).
 
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