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I wasn't trying not to be nice, I always enjoy your posts. But like I said, I had already posted specifically to you, a couple of months ago, the same information about those 3 Hebrew words. To be challenged for saying "sin is sin" didn't do anything for either of us. Sorry to see you go.
Pure evil? A misunderstanding is pure evil? That's a bit dramatic. I will go ahead and grant your wish. Take care.So what how many times it takes for someone to see the significance of a post. I was "getting" it. Then for you to be frustrated that I didn't get it before and hold it against me is pure evil. That doesn't make a good teacher, Ken.
Pure evil? A misunderstanding is pure evil? That's a bit dramatic. I will go ahead and grant your wish. Take care.
The Lord says a man shouldn't lie with another man as he would a woman - it is an abomination (Lev 18:22). This is pretty simple stuff.I was addressing post #2, but will address your important question. Sorry I didn't already.
Regarding the modern word "homosexuality", see the note below about accurate translation and meaning -- (*). But the bigger question here, phrased fully is --
Is it okay for a church to preach that some sin, like adultery or sodomy or greed is ok, just fine? Not simply to refuse to highlight a sin we don't do (which is actually the right approach; it's never the case that other people's sins are somehow more important than our own, to only highlight one or two sins and ignore the rest) -- but instead to actually endorse a sin?
For instance, suppose a preacher endorses material greed. Says a version of "let's get rich and accumulate lots of material wealth and goods, and seek to get more".
Is that ok?
The answer is definitely No!
I think these verses (especially 9-10) are a useful aid to us about this bigger question (NIV translation):
7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters.
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men [more likely more accurately: "sodomites" as in YLT] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
See? A variety of common sins, even slander -- saying bad things about people we barely know that may be false statements -- even just the everyday commonplace malicious gossip, slander, means losing the Kingdom of God!
Let's review that list!
Leads to Death when unrepented from:
Sexual immorality
Idolatry
Adultery
Sodomy
Greed (! the commonplace American sin)
Theft
Being a drunkard
Slander [any forms of saying bad things about other people that are false or even may not be true -- commonplace]
Swindlers [including we can guess all forms, such as fraud also]
...
Wow, quite a list, right?
How many are going to make it?
Christ said: "For many are called, but few are chosen."
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* Note on the modern word "homosexuality"
This word used to translate at times loses some of the meaning in scripture as I found using more literal translations -- the older translation that retains the full meaning is "sodomy" and "sodomite". See, it's not being gay that is referred to but instead the act of sodomy intercourse specifically.
For example, a gay person that is continent (refrains from sodomy) is not doing the sin. That's important. We are not to alter or change the real meaning of scripture. The real meaning is about the act of sodomy, not being gay. The fact is that traditional man/women married couples have also done this same sin. That seems to be the reference in Romans 1:26 -- that woman can do this same wrong, same sin, when they do sodomy intercourse.
yup. As long as you think it's necessary for Christians to obey the Leviticus Holiness Code.The Lord says a man shouldn't lie with another man as he would a woman - it is an abomination (Lev 18:22). This is pretty simple stuff.
I believe that was a commandment.yup. As long as you think it's necessary for Christians to obey the Leviticus Holiness Code.
yup. As long as you think it's necessary for Christians to obey the Leviticus Holiness Code.
Sexual lust isn't the path to heaven.I believe that was a commandment.
I agree. I just don't think lust is different whether the relationship involves the same or opposite genders.Sexual lust isn't the path to heaven.
The Lord makes it very clear in Leviticus 18:22. There is such as thing as resisting temptation.I agree. I just don't think lust is different whether the relationship involves the same or opposite genders.
If you get your moral principles from Leviticus, it's going to be hard to talk to you about Jesus' way of life. Or is it just when talking about homosexuality? This should give you pause to ask yourself what's really going on in your thinking.The Lord makes it very clear in Leviticus 18:22. There is such as thing as resisting temptation.
I agree. I just don't think lust is different whether the relationship involves the same or opposite genders.
Tell me this: We are not supposed to have sex if we aren't married. Can you name a homosexual couple that waits till they get married to have sex?The Lord makes it very clear in Leviticus 18:22. There is such as thing as resisting temptation.
Not a question I'm in a position to answer. You might also ask heterosexuals the same question.Tell me this: We are not supposed to have sex if we aren't married. Can you name a homosexual couple that waits till they get married to have sex?
Leviticus is Scripture. When did Jesus say men should have sex with each other?If you get your moral principles from Leviticus, it's going to be hard to talk to you about Jesus' way of life. Or is it just when talking about homosexuality? This should give you pause to ask yourself what's really going on in your thinking.
Lots of heterosexuals fornicate, but not all. The Bible does not condemn marriage between men and women.Not a question I'm in a position to answer. You might also ask heterosexuals the same question.
It would be different if the church is full of sodomy -- the preaching about it could help.
The Lord says a man shouldn't lie with another man as he would a woman - it is an abomination (Lev 18:22). This is pretty simple stuff.
Not really. The church is the body of Christ in which we are bound one to another by covenantal commitments.All churches are for sinners
Really?If you get your moral principles from Leviticus, it's going to be hard to talk to you about Jesus' way of life. Or is it just when talking about homosexuality? This should give you pause to ask yourself what's really going on in your thinking.
Not really. The church is the body of Christ in which we are bound one to another by covenantal commitments.
The unredeemed can have no part of that.
And all that precedes being a part of the body of Christ.Don't be a ridiculous Pharisee.
10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
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