The History of Obama

iluvatar5150 said:

Your blog claims that you referenced another document that cited those, not that you referenced those sources directly. What was this other document?

Frankly, I'm amazed you tried to legitimize this by trying to cite sources - the part I analyzed was so rife with error, even a quick google search showed how ludicrous it was.

-Dan.

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Dan,
The other document that is cited is called Decision 2012. I did not reference it by name because I did not know that was the name of the magazine. It did not look like the magazine had a front cover the way it was laid out. But someone showed me that it was the front cover. It is the October 12 issue.

What specific points are not provable? Everything stated is known fact. That is why I cited some of the media. Now some people may argue the stimulus worked. Granted. Opinion. I don't think it did. Lawyers suck. Opinion. I don't see where any of the rest may be falsified, especially by me. I didn't pull these numbers and things randomly out of the air. If Obama did a great job I would be backing him. If he would hold my values I would vote for him. He has done neither in my opinion.

Keep googling. I just did another small research and I found the first two facts right away. The one about his autobiography and his law lecturer stint. And I didn't even put any effort into it. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/obama-a-constitutional-law-professor/
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/barack-obamas-autobiography-dreams-from-my-father.html
So why is any of this hard to find on google? It may not be at the top of the search lists. Who knows? But I found it. Mostly from that magazine that sent me on hunts for anything that would go against the numbers from a legitimate and/or respectable news outlet.

Let me know which ones you want to research again for. I will sure try again.

iluvatar5150 said:

No, my biggest problem is your propagating gross distortions borne out of either ignorance or dishonesty. I focused on the points I did because they were at the top of the list and they were the easiest to knock down at 3am. Looking over the rest of the points, I find a number of them to be untrue on their faces as well.

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This is not a challeneg so do not take this that way, but please outline the wrong points that are factually in error.

Interesting. I have trouble turning of my "work brain" when I come home - how did you manage to so completely abandon your professional training while compiling this? I hope you put more effort into verifying the information that you teach your students than you put into verifying the contents of this list.

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Without going sarcastic or using sass, I will just say I take complete pride in my students and my job. And I take offense to ANYONE who says or even implies other wise. My job is my life. My students are my life. How dare you!

I don't believe your summary of his professional record is accurate either. Perhaps I'll get some free time later to address those points, or maybe someone else can pick up the ball. Or maybe you could look into them honestly, which would be nice.

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I ask (not challenge) for anyone to please put the complete truth here then to allow everyone to know the truth. From what I have read I have seen nothing the refutes any of this.

But you don't have your own facts.

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That is stupid to say. How can I have my own facts when I haven't spent any time with the president? No one here has "their own facts". Think about it. All we get is from the media, eye-witnesses stories, but we do get numbers and stats. What numbers are wrong?

Your hatred is blinding you. Even Chris Christie changed his tune when he got to actually work with the man and see what he's doing.

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My hatred? I applaud the president in this time of tragedy. But that is what is expected of a president. It doesn't erase the other 45 months or so. And I do believe it was Rahm Emanuel who said a good crisis should never be wasted or something like that. Where was he during the Libyan attack? He swept that under the rug.

Belk said:

Thank you, however this did not really answer my question. Let me rephrase. In what way does having experience in the private sector prepare one to deal with public sector issues? Are other experiences less valuable for some reason?

Belk

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Sorry, Belk. I didn't see this until I went back and looked over some of the posts.

I feel like my answer is sufficient. If you can run an organization, especially on a large scale basis it would make you more qualified for another large scale organization. Obama never ran a large scale organization. He was a community organizer. He may have done good things for his community but listen to this quote below:

"By Obama's own admission, there were few big victories. But whether it was getting the city to fill potholes, provide summer jobs, or remove asbestos from the apartments or persuading the apartment managers to repair toilets, pipes, and ceilings, Obama encouraged residents to come up with their own priorities with the gentle admonition: "It's your community."" Barack Obama's Formative Years in Chicago - US News and World Report

His public works record even by his own admission, even as president he said he didn't get it all done, has not been victorious.

My point I guess on that question would be if he can't run things he really wanted to do on a small scale basis why would he able to do it on a larger scale basis?

He wasn't mayor. He wasn't governor. He wasn't CEO. He went studying the law to barely practicing it to telling people what to do without trying anything out first. If he had more years at leadership I may have been inckined to vote for him in 2008 because McCain was not the answer. But he hasn't improved on his leadership skills. I don't like Romney but as Obama said in 2008 we need change.

iluvatar5150 said:

Ok, you found 2 links - did you bother to read them, particularly the one from factcheck.org?

It references the contents of the link I provided earlier - the link which answers your question of what a lecturer is and thoroughly contradicts your claim that Obama was "not good enough" to be a "professor."

-Dan.

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THis is probably what you are referring to. Yes. I did read it.
"The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."

So I will recant the part where he could have been a professor. But in the education field we understand what that means. We have School Coordinators, Dean of Students, and Directors. And what that means is the schools do not want to pay them for the title of Principal, mainly because that means they are the only ones who could fill the job due to demand (no one wanted it). It also usually means the person is not good enough to be the full time person they want. Which this article alludes to. He called himself professor. Notice in the article the clue words are italicized. But as I said I will take that back. I though am more worried about his record.

Well, I guess no takers on his record. Apparrently him being a lawyer and professor were more important. I hope then people remember this on tuesday. So with that this thread is done. See you at the polls. Hope to see you in four more years.