The Gospel In Creation

Cribstyl · Dec 15, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Come again? I don't put science before God. Those guys want to have their cake and eat it too. And who says God made the earth on the 2nd day? He made dry ground on the second day. As already stated, the sun was created from the light which God made on day one.

It's not a nice thing to speak about people that you dont know.
Well, I;m not a scientific brain but I have installed sensors on componets of the Hubble Telescope. Actually, more aerospace engineers are catholics so I cant speak for them at all. Truth is not many aerospace scientists are SDA.

You're a smart guy....Lets look at God's words.

The Creation of the World

1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

What Crib understands from the first day. verses 1-5

1) Moses is saying; From the beginning this is how God created the all of the heavens and the earth.

2) The earth was void and was not formed as yet.
There was nothing but deep blackness of waters in all of existance.
The Spirit of God was waiting for "THE WORD" over the deep waters.

3) And when God said "Let there be light, there was light. (no sun implied because God did not make it as yet)
4) God said the light was Good.
God seperated the darkness from the light
God called the light day and the darkness night.
And that was the end of day#1 of creation.

God had spoke light into existance, God then seperated light from the darkness of the deep that already exist. God called light day and darkness night.

Day #2 God creates the heaven (6-8)

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse [fn1] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”

7 And God made [fn2] the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so.
8 And God called the expanse Heaven.

[fn3] And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

God said let the water be devided by a canopy in the middle of the deep. God said Let water go up and down causing a clearing.
God called the clearing Heaven.

That was what God did on the second day of His creation.

Day #3 God creates the earth

9 And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.

10 God called the dry land Earth, [fn4] and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants [fn5] yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, on the earth.” And it was so.

12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

It seem clear that God said on His third day of creation said: "Let the waters under the heaven gathered together and let dry land appear." Shazzam!!! And it was so
God then called the dry land Earth, and the water He called the Seas.

We probably wont agree because your comment are bent on presenting your doctrines inspite of what the bible says.
In most cases I restrict my comments to what I believe the bible says.

Stryder06 · Dec 16, 2011

Cribstyl said:
It's not a nice thing to speak about people that you dont know.
Well, I;m not a scientific brain but I have installed sensors on componets of the Hubble Telescope. Actually, more aerospace engineers are catholics so I cant speak for them at all. Truth is not many aerospace scientists are SDA.

Doesn't matter to me if they're SDA or not. Trying to reconcile evolution with creation is trying to have your cake and eat it too.

It seem clear that God said on His third day of creation said: "Let the waters under the heaven gathered together and let dry land appear." Shazzam!!! And it was so
God then called the dry land Earth, and the water He called the Seas.

You're right. I was incorrect about "earth".

We probably wont agree because your comment are bent on presenting your doctrines inspite of what the bible says.
In most cases I restrict my comments to what I believe the bible says.

Whatever Crib. I don't see how you can say that while holding to the idea that it was a billion years in the process even though "the bible says" it was seven days. I was wrong about the Lord calling the dry ground earth. I'll admit that. No biggie. But as you can see, scripture says that the light was called day, and the darkness night, and the evening and morning were the first day. That's what the bible says.

Stryder06 · Dec 16, 2011

Cribstyl said:
Who died and made your words the final answer Stryder?
Our answers to the word of God should be "Yes" and "Amen" Stryder, not skip to whatever sounds acceptable to you.

Crib, we only have this conversation because we're dealing with "what sounds acceptable to you". Scripture is plain - 7 days. Yet you say "A billion years"

It's no secret that Genesis 1-2:3 is isolated to God's seven days of creation which ends with God at rest from all His work.
The bible in other place reveals that God had never dwell with man. God's throne is the place of His rest.
The earth has been His footstool from His creation rest.

What does that have to do with anything. I don't recall saying God set up shop on earth.

Commentary have no choice but war about 7/24hr days.
Commentary has God keeping Sabbath with Adam on earth.
Commentary claims that God set a pattern.
What did He do on the 8th, 9th,... day?
Explain why the texts claim that God was finished from all of His works on the 6th day?

You're so right Crib. Me and my foolish commentary. Why would I ever think that there was a weekly cycle setup by God. Why oh why?

Everybody seems to understand that the following texts gives a closeup account of important details about how God created man. It actually goes back into the days of creation and give account of when and how man was formed from dust and woman from mans rib.

NASB - Gen 2:4 -*This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

You dont want the biblical details about mankind because the sabbath commentary is a better fits.

It's more like you don't want the 7 day cycle to be established because then you have no reason to accept the sabbath being at creation.

Who's idea is calling God a liar Stryder?
Let's not raise foolishness and there will be none.

What foolishness? You're bent on think that God meant an unspecified amount of time when He said day. If this is true than His statement "For in SIX DAYS the Lord made heaven and earth..." Would be an utter lie. That's the ramification of your stance Crib. There's no getting around that.

We have two set of creation accounts in scriptures and one fits your doctrine.
"Both" fit's my understanding of what Moses wrote, not that God lied.
I'm glad you're alway asking me questions. I do find it as a labor of love to be here...(I cant leave even though I beg God to release me from upsetting so many people.)

Crib, there is one creation account. Genesis 1 gives us an overview. Genesis two goes into a bit more detail. It doesn't however explain away Genesis 1.

Your answer: Rev 13:8 The lambs slained from the foundation of the world is just a title given to Jesus. It does not mean that He was killed at the beginning. It means that from the beginning of creation He was set apart to die for the sins of mankind. Gen 3:15

Exactly. And His appointed time to die was the reason why Adam was spared.

We're in agreement in part. The other part of your doctrines
Are You implying that the coats were probably from a sheep or a goat. And it means that God killed animals to offer up blood sacrifice for Adam and Eve.
Are you saying the coats represents Christ?
The sacrificial law was given at creation? What's next? Cain's sacrifice?
What are you talking about?

The coats were of skin weren't they? Where do you get skin from Crib?

stinsonmarri · Dec 16, 2011

Crib:
You have given a response to others but not on what I have provided. You know that I am firm and have given you answers to your questions. Now here you go again at Stryder06 and what he have said. Now you are questionng Elohim? So here is the answer from Yahweh Elohim:

Then YAHWEH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddling band for it, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed? Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great? Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth? Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder; To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man; To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth? Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew? Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season (should be appointed time)? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee? Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are? Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart? Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven, When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together? Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions, When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait? Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto Elohim, they wander for lack of meat. Then Job answered YAHWEH, and said, I know that thou canst do everything, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. Job 38:1-41;42:1-3

Since you have not responded to my comment earlier maybe you can directly answer Yahweh Elohim. I'm just an old lady who has been around for sixty one years. My birthday was yesterday so now I'm heading for retirement in 2012!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Cribstyl · Dec 16, 2011

Stinsonmarri my friend

my first comments in the thread was about whether Sabbath was a noun the meant "24hr day of rest" or a verb that meant "rest".

I did read you post several times and found some helpful and some questionable issues.
I am sometimes overwhelmed by all that you have to say on an issue. (It takes me days to answers at times to respond.)

I was also awaiting your response to me from another thread after another long post. #83

stinsonmarri · Dec 16, 2011

Crib:

My friend, you asked the questions and I answered them even with your comments stated. What's a girl supposez to do say uhum??? I waited to see if your questions or comments were answered. They were not sooooo I did! Stop asking so much and give one at a time then! Oh I forgot the other forum, I will check it out. Historians are long winded didn't you know we have to give all the facts?

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

Cribstyl · Dec 17, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Whatever Crib. I don't see how you can say that while holding to the idea that it was a billion years in the process even though "the bible says" it was seven days. I was wrong about the Lord calling the dry ground earth. I'll admit that. No biggie. But as you can see, scripture says that the light was called day, and the darkness night, and the evening and morning were the first day. That's what the bible says.

I admit that I cannot put a date on when creation began.

According to the scriptures; Before the first day ends, what is called the day is identified as comming from the light that God spoke into existence when He said "let there be light"...True or False?

According to the scriptures; Before the first day ends, what is call "night" is the darkness that preexisted in the waters of the deep. True or False?

If the answers above are true, it's seems chrystal clear that, day and night of the first day, does not come from our sun that did not exist as yet.

CLUE: God's word does declares what He called "day and night" of the seven days of creation. The earth's rotation arround the sun is not a factor in God's explanation of His creation day.

God's word established what was "day" and "night". It came from His words "let there be light" that he spoke into the darkness that already existed. Hello????

The facts are explained where the day and night of creation comes from even before the first day is declared.

Got to say it again;
The first day was God saying let there be light in the midst of the deep darkness that the Holy Spirit was hoovering over.
The understanding given of a day was identified as the light God spoke in the the darkness. What was called night was identified as preexisting darkness. It would be false to say that the light of the day was from sunlight and it was 24hrs. We should be reminded that everything existing at that time was only waters.
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In the second day an opening made by separating the waters from the waters..........the heaven are created

When we consider that our galaxy "the milky way" has billions of suns and there are billions of other galaxies, the light from our sun is insignificant to displace the darkness of God's vast creation.

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The third day, God commanded "Let dry land appear". This was the creation of what God would call the earth.

The earth is identified futher by the seas and the grass that God commanded to grow. God commanded seeds to yeild grass and trees to yield all kinds of fruits. The bible say and "it was so."
What was so? This means that it happend just as God commanded it.
I'm reminded of a statement Stryder made to me...." Are you calling God a liar?"

A big question is; Can we say it's was the third day of the earth or "the third day of God's creation?

On the fourth day................To be continued

Cribstyl · Dec 17, 2011

13 And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, [fn6] and for days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so.
16 And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.
17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,
18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

I have to bring to your memory that the light of the 1st,2nd and 3rd day was of the light (singular) that shone into the waters of the deep darkness.

Now God is saying let there be lights (plural) in the heavens to separate day and night.......

The fact is, the seven days being counted, are distinguished from the lights commanded on the 4th day to rule, day, nights, seasons and years of the earth.

I have read many commentaries that dont try to articulate the events written in Genesis 1.

Cribstyl · Dec 18, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Crib, we only have this conversation because we're dealing with "what sounds acceptable to you". Scripture is plain - 7 days. Yet you say "A billion years"

Before the first day was declared, the day and night is designated from the spoken light (let there be light) that shined into the waters of the deep darkness that the Holy Spiirit was hoovering over.

That's what the word of God say. We can call it literally seven days if we choose, but it's not in reference to the earth's sun and moon.

What does that have to do with anything. I don't recall saying God set up shop on earth.

We'll if God dont stick arround there is no pattern to speak of.
If God ended all His work, or finish all things, why would He go back to work?

You're so right Crib. Me and my foolish commentary. Why would I ever think that there was a weekly cycle setup by God. Why oh why?

Please dont put words in my mouth. This is where you're suppose to explain the cycle you're claiming that God set up. Nice punt. The bible does not present a cycle set up by God untill given. In Ex16 and 20 God commands Israel to keep the sabbath. Post text to prove otherwise.

It's more like you don't want the 7 day cycle to be established because then you have no reason to accept the sabbath being at creation.

Is it about what I want or is it about God's word??

What foolishness? You're bent on think that God meant an unspecified amount of time when He said day. If this is true than His statement "For in SIX DAYS the Lord made heaven and earth..." Would be an utter lie. That's the ramification of your stance Crib. There's no getting around that.

Out of the seven days of creation......2 days without earth 3days without sun and moon proves earth is not seven days old. God is the God of all creation. There is no getting arround that.

Crib, there is one creation account. Genesis 1 gives us an overview. Genesis two goes into a bit more detail. It doesn't however explain away Genesis 1.

Exactly. And His appointed time to die was the reason why Adam was spared.

God said in the day that Adam ate of the tree he would surely die. You're saying that Adam was spared because of Jesus Christ's death? Please explain? My understanding see the tree of life being inaccessable that day.

The coats were of skin weren't they? Where do you get skin from Crib?

As "The Rock" would say "It does not matter!", In my understand the coats were given to hide nakedness because of fear. So God gave the skins as a covering to clothe them.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9¶And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?

Gen 3:10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.

Gen 3:21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Like you said, there is 1 creation account. I was hoping that you meant, the words of the bible.

Stryder06 · Dec 19, 2011

Cribstyl said:
Before the first day was declared, the day and night is designated from the spoken light (let there be light) that shined into the waters of the deep darkness that the Holy Spiirit was hoovering over.

That's what the word of God say. We can call it literally seven days if we choose, but it's not in reference to the earth's sun and moon.

Bible says 7 days. I'm sticking with that

We'll if God dont stick arround there is no pattern to speak of.
If God ended all His work, or finish all things, why would He go back to work?

God set a pattern by example. He ended His work of creating this planet.

Please dont put words in my mouth. This is where you're suppose to explain the cycle you're claiming that God set up. Nice punt. The bible does not present a cycle set up by God untill given. In Ex16 and 20 God commands Israel to keep the sabbath. Post text to prove otherwise.

The 7 day cycle? The one that shows up on your calendar, usually in sets of 4? That cycle? Crib if the 4th commandment doesn't work for you, than nothing will.

Is it about what I want or is it about God's word??
Out of the seven days of creation......2 days without earth 3days without sun and moon proves earth is not seven days old. God is the God of all creation. There is no getting arround that.

The totality of creation lasted 7 days. And who said He wasn't the God of all creation?

God said in the day that Adam ate of the tree he would surely die. You're saying that Adam was spared because of Jesus Christ's death? Please explain? My understanding see the tree of life being inaccessable that day.

Already explained Crib. Adam sinned, plan of salvation went into effect, Adam was spared from immediate extermination, but denied immoraltiy.

As "The Rock" would say "It does not matter!", In my understand the coats were given to hide nakedness because of fear. So God gave the skins as a covering to clothe them.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9¶And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?

Gen 3:10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.

Gen 3:21Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Like you said, there is 1 creation account. I was hoping that you meant, the words of the bible.

Talk about "punting"...smh. If "it doesn't matter" to you than you aren't going to accept any further explanation from me.

Cribstyl · Dec 19, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Bible says 7 days. I'm sticking with that

The bible says rested not sabbath and you're sticking to that too. You're just a sticky kind of guy.

God set a pattern by example. He ended His work of creating this planet.

The only pattern that God set was; finish what you've started and then you can rest from all of it when you're done. God ended His work of creating all creation. Why would God to ever keep a sabbath day unless He was living on earth? Clue God did'nt only create this planet and there is no proof that God in all His glory can rest on His footstool (earth)

The 7 day cycle? The one that shows up on your calendar, usually in sets of 4? That cycle? Crib if the 4th commandment doesn't work for you, than nothing will.

The totality of creation lasted 7 days. And who said He wasn't the God of all creation?

Already explained Crib. Adam sinned, plan of salvation went into effect, Adam was spared from immediate extermination, but denied immoraltiy.

Talk about "punting"...smh. If "it doesn't matter" to you than you aren't going to accept any further explanation from me.

I expect spin and knashing of teethe. All this back and forth with your spin on things has made me dizzy. Scriptures would give a view of what you're talking about.

For crying out loud, Who woulda thought that some of you SDA members would be clueless to explain what is written about the seven days of God's creation? Sheeeeezzzze

Cribstyl · Dec 19, 2011

When the earth rotates arround the sun, one side of the earth is blocked from the sun which results in darkess or night.

Stryder06 · Dec 20, 2011

Cribstyl said:
The bible says rested not sabbath and you're sticking to that too. You're just a sticky kind of guy.

It also says remember and you say forget. You're right, I am just a sticky kind of guy.

The only pattern that God set was; finish what you've started and then you can rest from all of it when you're done. God ended His work of creating all creation. Why would God to ever keep a sabbath day unless He was living on earth? Clue God did'nt only create this planet and there is no proof that God in all His glory can rest on His footstool (earth)

Come again? The sabbath was made for man. God doesn't "rest" in the sense that He needs a break. He is always at work maintaing His creation. God made the sabbath for man so that He wouldn't forget His Creator.

I expect spin and knashing of teethe. All this back and forth with your spin on things has made me dizzy. Scriptures would give a view of what you're talking about.

For crying out loud, Who woulda thought that some of you SDA members would be clueless to explain what is written about the seven days of God's creation? Sheeeeezzzze

Clueless? You're the one advocating a billion years in the making. Who exactly is the clueless one Crib?

Stryder06 · Dec 20, 2011

Cribstyl said:
When the earth rotates arround the sun, one side of the earth is blocked from the sun which results in darkess or night.

I think you meant, when the earth rotates on it's axis on it's way around the sun, one side is light while the other is dark. When the earth rotates around the sun, we get what we call a year.

Cribstyl · Dec 20, 2011

Stryder06 said:
I think you meant, when the earth rotates on it's axis on it's way around the sun, one side is light while the other is dark. When the earth rotates around the sun, we get what we call a year.

Thanks for the help.........
But what I intended to say was; while the earth rotates arround the sun, it spins on it's axis at 1 revolution per 24hrs. So ,"day" comes when your side of earth is facing the light of the sun, and "nights" come when it's not facing the sun.

Science helps us to understand the fact about where earth get night and day from. Stryder you know the light from the first day is not the light from the sun. 200yrs ago people did not have a clue.
We know that no other planet in our solar system have 24hr days.
The 7 days of Creation are not a reference to the earth, especially if the sun was not made till the 4th day.....Hello??????

On the first day of creation the bible explains where night and day of creation comes from.
The seven days of creation in Genesis 1-2:3 are referenced to creation.
On the second day of creation the heavens are created by God saying: Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters...........And it was so.
If God said "it was so " why should I beleive differently about how the heavens which is full of stars and planets in the skies?
On the 4th day of creation the bible explains where the earth get it's night and day from.

SDA will never admit these clear facts because too many doctrines are at stake.

Yeah....unsettled arguments means we both walk away in disagreement.
Let God's word be true..

Repeating a lie will never make it true.
Why ignor what God say about each day of creation and then claim He gave Sabbath on the 7th day of creation?

Stryder06 · Dec 21, 2011

Cribstyl said:
Thanks for the help.........
But what I intended to say was; while the earth rotates arround the sun, it spins on it's axis at 1 revolution per 24hrs. So ,"day" comes when your side of earth is facing the light of the sun, and "nights" come when it's not facing the sun.

Science helps us to understand the fact about where earth get night and day from. Stryder you know it's not what God declared on the first day.
We know that no other planet in our solar system have 24hr days.
The 7 days of Creation are not a reference to the earth if the sun was not made till the 4th day.....Hello??????

Again, you're stuck on the sun not benig created, despite the fact that light was created on the first day, which gave the planet the evening and the morning. Again, what makes you think that God didn't make the sun out of the light that was created on the first day?

On the first day of creation the bible explains where night and day of creation comes from. These seven days of creation in Genesis 1-2:3 are referenced to creation. On the second day of creation the heavens are created by God saying: Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters...........And it was so.
If God said "it was so " why should I beleive differently about how the heaven full of stars in the skies came into being?

I think you lost me. How can you say "If God said 'it was so' why should I believe differntly..." while simulataneously saying different from what God said? God said "7 days".

On the 4th day of creation the bible explains where the earth get it's night and day from.

No. On the fourth day of creation the sun was created. We were getting light from day 1.

SDA will never admit these clear facts because too many doctrines are at stake.

You're right. God being a liar doesn't bode well for anyone. He said 7 days, so I take it at that. Science doesn't trump God, and quite frankly, I'm not called to be able to understand every detail of how God works. I'm called to have faith, and to believe. So if God says He created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, than that's what I'm going to believe.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 21, 2011

Stryder06 said:
You're right. God being a liar doesn't bode well for anyone. He said 7 days, so I take it at that. Science doesn't trump God, and quite frankly, I'm not called to be able to understand every detail of how God works. I'm called to have faith, and to believe. So if God says He created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, than that's what I'm going to believe.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 21, 2011

Interestingly, the Genesis account doesn't use the word 'Sun' but if you look at the Hebrew word in Gen 1:4, that word for light actually has, as a meaning, the sun. Where as the refernce to the lights in verses 14 and 15 do not have, as a meaning, the word sun.

Also, the earth must have been warmed and lighted by the sun before the third day or the grasses, plants and trees created wouldn't have been possible.

Crib, you keep arguing the word rested in Genesis 2:2 is not Sabbath but the same hebrew word is used in Exodus 23:12 which is refering to the seventh day Sabbath. The two words Shabath and Shabbath are interchangeable. If this was not the case, the word Shabath could not have been used in Exodus23.

Cribstyl · Dec 21, 2011

EastCoastRemnant said:
Crib, you keep arguing the word rested in Genesis 2:2 is not Sabbath but the same hebrew word is used in Exodus 23:12 which is refering to the seventh day Sabbath. The two words Shabath and Shabbath are interchangeable. If this was not the case, the word Shabath could not have been used in Exodus23.

A brief study would find that Sabbath can be explained as "day of sabath". which means day of rest.
So the word you're identifying is the verb "rest", not the noun "sabbath" which means " a day of rest" . You know that.

EastCoastRemnant · Dec 21, 2011

Cribstyl said:
A brief study would find that Sabbath can be explained as "day of sabath". which means day of rest.
So the word you're identifying is the verb "rest", not the noun "sabbath" which means " a day of rest" . You know that.

No Crib, I don't 'know that'... Sabbath means rest. Somehow you're trying to proclaim that rest means rest unless it says rest and then it's not rest....

So why is Shabath it used in Exodus 23:12? It is clearly speaking of the seventh day Sabbath...

Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

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