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The god of the machine

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In the age of the mechanical philosophy, in which all of nature could be viewed as a boundless collection of brute events, God soon came to be seen as merely the largest brute event of all. Thus in the modern period the argument between theism and atheism largely became no more than a tension between two different effectively atheist visions of existence. As a struggle between those who believed in this god of the machine and those who did not, it was a struggle waged for possession of an already godless universe.

David Bentley Hart, The Experience of God
 

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Why, "two different effectively atheist visions of existence," if one of them claims to be theistic?
A belief in Zeus would also claim to be theistic.

DBH's point is I think roughly speaking that the god of intelligent design, and hence the god popularly being refuted by atheism, is merely demiurgic. He is merely "a" god, like any other "object". Whereas "the" God of medieval scholasticism was not merely some brute fact who happened, contingently, to start up the machine. He was, instead, the very Being and Truth of the universe, without which its being and truth would not, at this moment, be able to be sustained at all.
 
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As for theistic claims drawn from the astonishing array of improbable cosmological conditions that hold our universe together, including the cosmological constant itself, or from the mathematical razor’s edge upon which all of it is so exquisitely balanced, these rest upon a number of deeply evocative arguments, and those who dismiss them casually are probably guilty of a certain intellectual dishonesty. Certainly all of the cosmos’s exquisitely fine calibrations and consonances and exactitudes should speak powerfully to anyone who believes in a transcendent creator, and they might even have the power to make a reflective unbeliever curious about supernatural explanations. But, in the end, such arguments also remain only probabilistic, and anyone predisposed to explain them away will find plentiful ways of doing so: perhaps the extravagant hypothesis that there are vastly many universes generated by quantum fluctuations, of the sort Stephen Hawking has recently said does away with any role for God in the origin of the universe, or perhaps the even more extravagant hypothesis that every possible universe must be actual (the former hypothesis reduces the odds considerably, and the latter does away with odds altogether). But in a sense none of this really matters, because ultimately none of these arguments has much to do with God in the first place.

As it happens, the god with whom most modern popular atheism usually concerns itself is one we might call a “demiurge” (dēmiourgos): a Greek term that originally meant a kind of public technician or artisan but that came to mean a particular kind of divine “world-maker” or cosmic craftsman. In Plato’s Timaeus, the demiurge is a benevolent intermediary between the realm of eternal forms and the realm of mutability; he looks to the ideal universe—the eternal paradigm of the cosmos—and then fashions lower reality in as close a conformity to the higher as the intractable resources of material nature allow. He is, therefore, not the source of the existence of all things but rather only the Intelligent Designer and causal agent of the world of space and time, working upon materials that lie outside and below him, under the guidance of divine principles that lie outside and above him. He is an immensely wise and powerful being, but he is also finite and dependent upon a larger reality of which he is only a part. Later Platonism interpreted the demiurge in a variety of ways, and in various schools of Gnosticism in late antiquity he reappeared as an incompetent or malevolent cosmic despot, either ignorant or jealous of the true God beyond this cosmos; but none of that is important here. Suffice it to say that the demiurge is a maker, but not a creator in the theological sense: he is an imposer of order, but not the infinite ocean of being that gives existence to all reality ex nihilo. And he is a god who made the universe “back then,” at some specific point in time, as a discrete event within the course of cosmic events, rather than the God whose creative act is an eternal gift of being to the whole of space and time, sustaining all things in existence in every moment. It is certainly the demiurge about whom Stenger and Dawkins write; neither has actually ever written a word about God. And the same is true of all the other new atheists as far as I can tell.


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In purely philosophical terms, then, it simply does not matter very much if some god named “God” might happen to exist, even if he should prove to be the unsurpassable and unique instantiation of the concept “god,” as that fact casts no real light on the enigma of existence as such. Even if this demiurge really existed, he would still be just one more being out there whose own existence would be in need of explanation; one would still have to look past him and his marvelous works in order to contemplate what is truly ultimate: the original source of being upon which he and the world must both be dependent. Confronted by so constrained a concept of God, the village atheist would still be well within his rights to protest that, even if the world comes from God, one still must ask where God comes from.

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A belief in Zeus would also claim to be theistic.

Not really. Here, let me help: "Zeus" has a contingent beginning in time. He's the son of Cronus. Thus, Zeus is not omnipotent.

This is why the word "god" is so annoyingly ambiguous. <-- Igtheists and Ignostics have a legit complaint here. "God" requires a clear, consistent, and unambiguous definition. That's why I prefer to exclusively define God as an omnipotent being. It's a more Augustinian approach.

Then, omnipotence can be applied to test all religious claims. This is why pagan "gods" fail the litmus test of omnipotence, because they're limited to say, only one sphere of influence (say, a god of war, but that same god of war is not a god of wine and mirth). Any limitation to space, time, contingency, or religious sphere of influence means that individual is not omnipotent. And if not omnipotent, then not God.

DBH's point is I think roughly speaking that the god of intelligent design, and hence the god popularly being refuted by atheism, is merely demiurgic.

If the universe = omni, then the designer of the universe = omni-potential.
 
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This is why the word "god" is so annoyingly ambiguous. <-- Igtheists and Ignostics have a legit complaint here. "God" requires a clear, consistent, and unambiguous definition.
Indeed I think this is part of the point DBH is making in his book.
 
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