the flood

Arikay · Nov 15, 2003

This was not before.

There is this tree, it is still alive, it has been dated as older than the global flood. ICR even accepts its dates. It means that the flood must have happend at least 4780 years ago, making the bible dating wrong.

Of course, you could take the route ICR did and make lots of "what if" assumptions, and take the route ICR did and basically call god a deciever. But that is up to you.

pureone · Nov 15, 2003

Oldest Bush, over 10,000 years old (not Barbara). In a desert.A desert bush living through a flood? It grew, adapted forthe flood and then adapted again? wow, talk bout microevolution....

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

I would not take the route of others, everyone is entitled to choose. This might not be logical to you but my trust and experience in God exceeds and it is all I need.

Jet Black · Nov 15, 2003

fine, so you aren't really offering anything. what are you saying here?

Arikay · Nov 15, 2003

So, then whats with all this evidence that goes against "his word"?
Did god create it?
Or maybe the devil (making the devil as powerful as god)?

I know you claim that there are two ways to look at the evidence, but you backed out of that claim, so you probably shouldn't use it again. (although its expected).

notto · Nov 15, 2003

Alessandro said:
The age of earth is estimated between 6000 and 7500, and the flood to be 4000-4500 years ago, that is good enough.

How do you explain the pyramids and the culture and society that created them? They are by any valid approximation, 4500 years old and were built by a society that had existed there for years before their construction and have an unbroken history for that entire span that shows nothing of a worldwide flood. This would need to be accounted for and would seem to drive your flood date further back.

pureone · Nov 15, 2003

Asserting faith does little to sway opinion, nor does it provide much for discussion.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

What I was saying is that I choose God over the rest.

And there are two ways for looking, but you only see and will accept one.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

Faith and experience in God, which in here may not apply but it is where I am coming from.

pureone · Nov 15, 2003

Alessandro said:
What I was saying is that I choose God over the rest.

And there are two ways for looking, but you only see and will accept one.

round and round. Many here have chosen God. And do not agree with some of mans interpretation of the bible.
I will accept evidence and not just your interpretation.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

In regards to the Egyptian account, developing a culture does not take much time, especially when there is previous knowledge to begin with (for example Noah's experience and knowledge from the time before the flood helped accelerate the new start). Again that is my view.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

I am not saying that you must accept my interpretation pureone, I am merely stating my side.

Arikay · Nov 15, 2003

Just to point out, you never actually showed us the second way of looking at it, beyond statements of "im right and you are wrong because god is on my side"

Now, explain why there is no gap in chinese history. Unless of course Noah knew chinese and all its history and they just forgot to mention that in the bible.

Alessandro said:
What I was saying is that I choose God over the rest.

And there are two ways for looking, but you only see and will accept one.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

All I can tell you is that I believe there will be no gap, because I also believe that Chinese, Egyptian etc came after the flood. And since all the old has been destroyed there should be no gap between the old and the new. My view anyway.

notto · Nov 15, 2003

Alessandro said:
In regards to the Egyptian account, developing a culture does not take much time, especially when there is previous knowledge to begin with (for example Noah's experience and knowledge from the time before the flood helped accelerate the new start). Again that is my view.

By why would they setup and worship an entirely different set of Gods and have no knowledge of the history from which they came? They were not an isolated society, they were just one society in the area. (They warred with neighboring ones) There were several, independent societies functioning in the area at the time with different beliefs, none of which record a recent global flood, migration from wherever the ark supposedly landed, or a history that ties to that of Noah.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

Number of decendants grew, further developing their lives and way of living and technology and all that come with it. Spreading out across the land inhabiting it and growing further. As to why they have no recorded knowlegs of the flood is beyond me but it could be because it could have been forgotten or ignored over the years, or recorded but have not been found, and by the time such civilisations grew and advanced all knowledge of the deluge could have been lost, or just used as a story.

pureone · Nov 15, 2003

If something that massive had happened, i don't think they would have forgotten about it. It would have been written down many times and told over and over by all cultures.

notto · Nov 15, 2003

Alessandro said:
Number of decendants grew, further developing their lives and way of living and technology and all that come with it. Spreading out across the land inhabiting it and growing further. As to why they have no recorded knowlegs of the flood is beyond me but it could be because it could have been forgotten or ignored over the years, or recorded but have not been found, and by the time such civilisations grew and advanced all knowledge of the deluge could have been lost, or just used as a story.

How many years? We are talking hundreds of thousands of people in independent societies over thousands of square miles. The society that was in Egypt at the time you give for the flood had been flourishing for years already. This was not a new or small society. They were already there, recording their history in an organized society 5000 years ago.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

Although I do not know where I heard or read this but it was that many such cultures did have such common knowledge about a deluge.

Alessandro · Nov 15, 2003

I would doubt that they would have reached their splendor closer to the time of the flood, but more so later on, they may have started, and their cultures began closer to the time of the flood.

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