Nathan Poe
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You want the glory and the credit, but you don't like responsibility, do you?
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Hmmm ... no comment.
Nope -- I'm not putting my eternal future in the hands of a minority who see planets where there are no planets, and listen for things out in space to answer their calls.
There is no time at the speed of light.So your forced to believe god created those stars with light already in motion, or the universe is at least as old as the distance that light has traveled.
There is no time at the speed of light.
It's my opinon they believe in something because they're afraid to find out if it's true or not.
That would be "miles" -- not "meters".Only relative to the light itself. To us, it's about 186000 m/s... Which is 186,000 meters (a distance) per second (a time).
Only relative to the light itself. To us, it's about 186000 m/s... Which is 186,000 meters (a distance) per second (a time).
Well, it's my opinion YOU GUYS haven't got anything to show us. So what have we got to be afraid of??? Once again ... Here we go round the Mulberry bush...
I guess there's nothing about science that you guys could use to inflate your opinions of yourselves... so no, I guess we've got nothing to show you that you'd be interested in.
Have fun with your Mulberry bush.
I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for proof of a common ancestor. You know you can't provide it so what's wrong with thinking that God is the Creator?
I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for proof of a common ancestor. You know you can't provide it so what's wrong with thinking that God is the Creator?
Are you asking for "proof" - that is, an explanation that shows that it must be this way and cannot be any other way - or "evidence"?
This just as a clarification, so that afterwards one cannot say, "but it could be different". It could. We know that. Natural science does not deal with "proof".
As for evidence, ERVs are a good starting point. We know the mechanisms by which genetic material is transferred, and thus we can conclude to a common ancestry based on genetic similarity.
Yes, it could be different. Everything could be different. You can believe what you want. But you should be aware where the evidence points at.
A simple counterexample: make a genetic test on me and my father. It will show that we are related.
Could it be that I am not my father's son... that I wasn`t sired and born at all... but directly created by God?
How would you decide?
YES I DO CLAIM THAT AND I MEANT IT AND JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME DOESN'T MAKE IT WRONG!
[YOU DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL!! YOU KNOW ONLY WHAT YOU FABRICATE IN YOUR OWN MIND ABOUT ME.
[Well, there you go, so if I said scientists lied or misrepresented the data, AND by your admission they do, then you are confirming that I was NOT lying when I said it. THEREFORE your accusation of me in the former posts is wrong and therefore, just that ... a false accusation.
[As to creation scientists lying, that was NOT what we were discussing. We were discussing YOUR accusation of me that I was LYING (which I do not do) AND that I was not speaking the truth in love (which I do do). I suggest to you Split Rock that it is not so much the Christians lying but rather you atheists lying (or at best misrepresenting without knowing) and twisting what we say. I have experienced that on many occasions.
[As to the what happens to creation scientists that get caught lying and get hailed as great Christians that is another accusation and a bit melodramatic and I would suspect from my experience with you guys a GREAT twisting of what actually happens.
[As to you being sick and tired of the way I post and my text coloring. GET OVER IT!! I have to. You see I'm pretty tired of the false accusations and the twisting of my words that 99% of you atheists do on these posts, not once but over and over again and for many years and I have to deal with it. Yes, I too remember.
[I repeat you DON'T know me and if you are going to accuse me then please FIND those posts where YOU say I lied and make sure you haven't twisted what I said or the situation. In other words put up or shut up! Your assessment of me is wrong, wrong, wrong, and no amount of your rhetoric or accusations is going to make me who YOU say I am.
(emphasis mine)[You guys wonder WHY we don't listen to YOUR so called evidence. It's because we don't TRUST you. You conive, twist, misrepresent, and even lie. You know it, we know it. You wonder why we don't believe scientists. You guys tell me you are scientists and you conive, twist, misrepresent and then you expect me to believe scientists. Sorry does not compute!! CASE CLOSED!
I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for proof of a common ancestor. You know you can't provide it so what's wrong with thinking that God is the Creator?
I'm not buying this argument.there is something wrong with thinking anyone knows that their version of that god is infallible, and that they are right, even tho all the actual evidence shows they are wrong.
I'm not buying this argument.
Does it matter to an atheist what version exists, if God is?
After all, any version would be a wake-up call to an atheist.
Again, when it comes to the creation week, even Quetzacoatl (sp.?) would be a wake-up call.Ah, but you're far too proud to settle for "any version," as we've all seen.
It can only be your version -- why else would you concoct such utter nonsense to defend it?
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