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You think life can't be immaterial?
That's certainly interesting. Wink, wink.
Really, what natural explanations inherent in how the universe works?More specifically, it discusses many examples of apparent fine tuning which have natural explanations inherent in how the universe works. In other words, it directly contradicts your claims that fine tuning is the same as improbable. Since you have said you've read the paper there's no point in me posting quotes.
No you didn't. You posted links to random unrelated papers and then changed the subject when challenged to point out how they were in any way related to the question you were attempting to answer.Prove it.
Which paper did I claim to read but didn't know the number of pages it had?The one I remember was a paper she claimed to read but also didn't know the number of pages it had, so that's seemed a bit suspect as well. It was made even more so when she couldn't even tell us which page she thought we were supposed to look at to find whatever it is she thought it showed.
I gave a link with all the scientists that agree with fine tuning. Stop with the false accusations.The fact that she has to try and sneak a neuroscientist in a list of supposed experts on pre-big bang cosmology is a hint that maybe the opinions she's attributing to a vast majority of those scientists aren't quite as widespread as she hopes. If they were, why not just grab more quotes from actual cosmologists?
Really, what godly explanations inherent in how the universe works? GOTTCHA.Really, what natural explanations inherent in how the universe works?
Where did I say that in any of the posts in this thread?Really, what godly explanations inherent in how the universe works? GOTTCHA.
Really, what natural explanations inherent in how the universe works?
No you didn't. You posted links to random unrelated papers and then changed the subject when challenged to point out how they were in any way related to the question you were attempting to answer.
So provide the links that are not in regard to fine tuning.
Which paper did I claim to read but didn't know the number of pages it had?
KC I gave you 64 pages of numbers in it.
I gave a link with all the scientists that agree with fine tuning. Stop with the false accusations.
From that paper, which I had already said I had not read.The examples listed in the first few pages of the article. You did read it, right?
I gave you a link of all the scientists that agree with it. Here it is again:If a half a page of quotes is "all the scientists that agree with fine tuning", my point wasn't false.
I gave you a link of all the scientists that agree with it. Here it is again:
Here’s a quote that I wanted to put out there from the paper about how widely accepted fine-tuning is among scientists:
There are a great many scientists, of varying religious persuasions, who accept that the universe is fine-tuned for life, e.g. Barrow, Carr, Carter, Davies, Dawkins, Deutsch, Ellis, Greene, Guth, Harrison, Hawking, Linde, Page, Penrose, Polkinghorne, Rees, Sandage, Smolin, Susskind, Tegmark, Tipler, Vilenkin, Weinberg, Wheeler, Wilczek. They differ, of course, on what conclusion we should draw from this fact. Stenger, on the other hand, claims that the universe is not fine-tuned.
That is a very diverse list. I know that Sandage, Ellis, Page, Tipler and Polkinghorne are theists. But I also know that Weinberg, Rees, Hawking, Greene, and Dawkins are atheists. So scientists all across the spectrum of worldview admit that the fine-tuning is real.
https://winteryknight.com/2015/11/1...or-stengers-critique-of-cosmic-fine-tuning-4/
And that quote is not misrepresenting his view and neither are the ones I've provided.Ooh, fun with quotes. Can I try?
"This is nonsense, it can't be believed by a thinking person."
C. Hitchens, on the subject of Christianity.
Where is the link that shows Richard Dawkins foundation slams fine tuning?The link you gave is to a critique..nothing more.
Hawking?I've got his book"A Brief History Of Time" and the way Creationist sites cut up the book is hilarious.
It's called cherry picking.
Richard Dawkin's foundation SLAMS fine tuning.
From your link:https://richarddawkins.net/2013/11/why-does-the-universe-appear-fine-tuned-for-life/
Go to the bottom of the article and over the comment section to continue with the article.The link to the full essay is small.
Worse than that, she admitted she hadn't read the paper after i found a link that included a section of the conclusion that explicitly refuted Once's argument. http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-fine-tuning-of-the-universe.7948420/page-49#post-69733677I clicked on one of her links, and it was from 1976(?) and only the abstract was available, and from what I could tell, had nothing to do with fine tuning.
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