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The Evolution of Morality

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Therefore, you feel it is moral for Hitler to make it into heaven, where another person who has led a much better life does not? Simple yes or no will do.
 
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This is why international studies have show as people age and get closer to death, they tend to increase their belief in God.

They get a little scared and want to cover their bases.

They determined that they got a little scared and wanted to cover their bases?
 
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Do you think for yourself? You have literally posted this site to me at least a dozen times.

It is just a few pieces of evidence demonstrating that life evolved. You pretend as if this evidence doesn't exist. Why else would you ask me for empirical evidence that humans have evolved?

Source for the sequences that allow for morality?

Initial sequencing and analysis of the human genome : Article : Nature

Where? And please refrain from posting your link. Put your argument in your own words using your own thoughts.

I will quote your own words back to you:

"Do you think for yourself?"--Oncedeceived



Our brains are part of the human body, and it is the brain that is responsible for making judgements of morality.
 
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No TFY, we've discussed this before. Babies go to Heaven.

It's good to know that's what you think. I do know there are many Christians who do not believe this.

But I know I go to Hell if I don't become a lickspittle to Jesus. This is actually the reason I became an atheist.

God will let Hitler into heaven so long as he is a lickspittle. I've led a very moral life on the whole, yet I go to Hell because I won't be a lickspittle.

If I met someone in real life who chose their friends based on how much they sucked up to them, even if the people were pedophiles and mass murders, I would find them absolutely disgusting, and have nothing to do with them. I suspect you would react the same.

Yet I am expected to worship a god who does this. I find that god to be a despicable disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone a god. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone with the faintest hint of moral values would follow someone like that.
 
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This is your opinion, as the Bible says no such thing.

Deuteronomy 1:39

And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

Matthew 18:3

And said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.



Matthew 19:13-14

Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”



2 Samuel 12:22-23

He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”



16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”




These support the belief.
 
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Well that is your choice. It is a choice after all. IF mercy is something that you reject then I am sure you are ready to take the consequences. I wish it wasn't the case but that is what free choice is all about.
 
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Well that is your choice. It is a choice after all. IF mercy is something that you reject then I am sure you are ready to take the consequences. I wish it wasn't the case but that is what free choice is all about.

What does that have to do with mercy? That makes no sense.

Hitler goes to heaven, but I go to Hell and have the flesh burnt from my flesh for eternity because I won't be a lickspittle?

God will only have mercy if I'm a lickspittle? That's not mercy, and He can go to Hell.
 
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How does society make that determination?

So if society says that all homosexuals for instance are immoral and decide that they are not worthy to live is that acceptable even if you may not agree with that?
 
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Good is better than bad by definition. You do know how the English language works, don't you? You have twisted yourself into such illogical knots that you can't even use the simplest words correctly.

The words themselves have no meaning without our defining them. Good is just a word and so is bad. However, you are claiming that good is only subjective and so is bad. So how do we determine what is really good or bad and according to whom? You see by having morality be subjective, it looses its value. What is good for you might not be for me and vice versa.


Yes, just like beauty, good smelling, creative, artistic, etc. These are all value judgements that we assign to things. Morality is no different.

Yes, and good smelling to you might smell unpleasant to me, something that I consider artistic may seem just stupid to you. IF morality is in the same category then good is only what you think it is and it has no bearing on what I think it is.
Why are behaviors inexplicable?

No.
 
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Therefore, you feel it is moral for Hitler to make it into heaven, where another person who has led a much better life does not? Simple yes or no will do.

Yes or no will not do because it is not as simple as that. First if God created the universe like is claimed, then He is apparently extremely powerful and intelligent. If you can create a universe and life forms like we see in the world then we can allow that He knows what He is doing. It also gives Him the right to do as He wishes. If He wishes for His people to love Him, He must give them the freedom to that. With freedom comes responsibility. Choices come with that freedom. He made a way to show our love to a God that is not seen. He showed us love by allowing our freedom even though it came with a cost, but the cost came with mercy and forgiveness for the asking. Now is it moral to allow forgiveness for everyone or just those who we decide should have it?

Now for my personal opinion. I want everyone to go to heaven. Everyone. Now is it more moral for God to not allow Hitler to ask forgiveness and accept His mercy through Christ? What if we put a different look on it. Is it moral for God to not allow the millions of women that have aborted their young into heaven? They have killed their young. So would you have them be barred from heaven too? Are they more moral than Hitler? How are we to judge?

Mercy is mercy, forgiveness is forgiveness and if God is all merciful then we must allow that it is moral to allow a truly repented person no matter what they have done to receive it or mercy like morality means nothing.
 
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Not to me.

I wrote this in another post.

Yes or no will not do because it is not as simple as that. First if God created the universe like is claimed, then He is apparently extremely powerful and intelligent. If you can create a universe and life forms like we see in the world then we can allow that He knows what He is doing. It also gives Him the right to do as He wishes. If He wishes for His people to love Him, He must give them the freedom to that. With freedom comes responsibility. Choices come with that freedom. He made a way to show our love to a God that is not seen. He showed us love by allowing our freedom even though it came with a cost, but the cost came with mercy and forgiveness for the asking. Now is it moral to allow forgiveness for everyone or just those who we decide should have it?

Now for my personal opinion. I want everyone to go to heaven. Everyone. Now is it more moral for God to not allow Hitler to ask forgiveness and accept His mercy through Christ? What if we put a different look on it. Is it moral for God to not allow the millions of women that have aborted their young into heaven? They have killed their young. So would you have them be barred from heaven too? Are they more moral than Hitler? How are we to judge?

Mercy is mercy, forgiveness is forgiveness and if God is all merciful then we must allow that it is moral to allow a truly repented person no matter what they have done to receive it or mercy like morality means nothing.
 
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If you can create a universe and life forms like we see in the world then we can allow that He knows what He is doing.

No it doesn't. "He" could be a grade 7 student doing an experiment for the science fair. "He" could be a distrubed grade 7 student at that.

Mercy is mercy, forgiveness is forgiveness and if God is all merciful then we must allow that it is moral to allow a truly repented person no matter what they have done to receive it or mercy like morality means nothing.

But no mercy unless we are lickspittles? Surely you can see how that sounds more like a sociopath than an all-knowing all-loving god?
 
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It is just a few pieces of evidence demonstrating that life evolved. You pretend as if this evidence doesn't exist. Why else would you ask me for empirical evidence that humans have evolved?

I asked specifically what empirical evidence you had that morality evolved.



Read some of it. No mention of morality being sequenced in there anywhere but will hold comment until I finish.


I will quote your own words back to you:

"Do you think for yourself?"--Oncedeceived

I am not the one that continually sites information from one single site to answer all questions.



Our brains are part of the human body, and it is the brain that is responsible for making judgements of morality.

You are using a circular argument here. Evolution is responsible for the brain so the brain is responsible for morality.
 
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