The belief in the falsity of Christianity and/or religion and/or the supernatural in general.
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
The belief in the falsity of Christianity and/or religion and/or the supernatural in general.What doctrine would that be?
That's not a doctrinal obligation of mine.The belief in the falsity of Christianity and/or religion and/or the supernatural in general.
I take it you agree then?You've mentioned two "if"'s. If you can demonstrably discredit him that's one thing. If you merely disbelieve him because he can't prove his claim, that's another.
Neither is mere lack of belief, or disbelief.
I notice you're a Humanist; honestly I don't know what that means or what you specifically believe.That's not a doctrinal obligation of mine.
Agree about what?I take it you agree then?
That's why it's always best to ask.I notice you're a Humanist; honestly I don't know what that means or what you specifically believe.
That it would not be absurd to doubt that the Christian genuinely knows what he claims to know.Agree about what?
That's why it's always best to ask.
That it would not be absurd to doubt that the Christian genuinely knows what he claims to know.
You do understand that those are not mutually exclusive categories? I am an atheist, for example.In this thread I'm talking to an atheist, a humanist, a seeker, and a U.S. Democrat who all seem to agree I'm wrong. I suppose it's possible I could be wrong for 4 different reasons.
Good, so we are agreed.I don't think I ever said it would be absurd.
You do understand that those are not mutually exclusive categories? I am an atheist, for example.
As I mentioned there are other terms for what your beliefs are based on, like atheisim, materialism, naturalism, what have you. I don't want to label you, but there must be something to describe your position.
Christian doctrine.
But you're complaining that EKG is not demonstrable to you, aren't you?
It´s not like I don´t believe your statement:Then on what grounds do you disbelieve it?
Wrong.It's a belief, likely part of a set of beliefs.
You've lumped different types of things together.Well... Yeah. Rejecting a claim does not carry with it a burden of proof. If I say
Okay, where's your evidence that:
Are not real/true?
- Allah
- Shiva
- The Flying Spaghetti Monster
- Pixies
- Invisible Unicorns
- Skull-juggling telepathic walruses on Pluto
- Any number of other bizarre or supernatural claims
The burden of proof is not that hard to understand.
I'm sure I have. But my point is that these are all things you don't agree are true, and you do not have any evidence that they aren't. But you don't need evidence. Because that's not how the burden of proof works.You've lumped different types of things together.
I'm sure I have. But my point is that these are all things you don't agree are true, and you do not have any evidence that they aren't. But you don't need evidence. Because that's not how the burden of proof works.
It's possible that "something" describes my worldview...but I haven't found anything that does yet. That's why I tend to avoid such labels when describing my views on anything.
I'm not complaining that the EKG isn't demonstrable...the EKG never gets to the point where it makes any claims about external reality. It makes only one claim about internal reality (specifically perception) and then avoids any possible examination of that claim. It's like claiming that your view from atop your high horse allows you to see things much more clearly than those of us on the ground...but never actually giving an example of what you can see from up there lol. Does that make sense?
If my doctrines were demonstrated to be untrue I guess I would abandon them.As for your doctrines...what if someone made a claim that disagreed with your christian doctrine and then managed to demonstrate it's validity?
What would happen to your doctrines then? Would you abandon them? Alter them? Would you deny the demonstration is truth?
It´s not like I don´t believe your statement:
"If a Christian says he has esoteric knowledge you believe you should disbelieve that fact."
It´s that I tell you it´s untrue. Simply because I know better than you what I believe or don´t believe.
You are overstepping your boundaries when trying to tell me what I believe or don´t believe.
Wrong.
I did several times: I do not believe that I should disbelieve him.Well if I'm wrong, I asked you a question so you could correct me but you didn't answer.
I did several times: I do not believe that I should disbelieve him.
That´s not hard to understand, is it?
Your mind-reading attempt mislead you. What else about it needs to be explained?
Same result.You don't have to get hung up on the word "believe". You can use think, or feel, or hold, or other synonyms.
Same result.
Btw.: This whole thing started as your attempt to picture it as my doctrine. Since you now my feelings would be good enough to save your false statement about my mindset, I conclude your initial point is out the window.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?