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Alexander Nevsky

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From Orthodox England:
The England We Lost: The Sixties Began Fifty Years Ago
 

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I disagree that any of that was lost (although whether some of it safely could be is open to debate). Whoever wrote this stuff doesn't know the England I know and love, or its people for that matter.

It is far too easy to write apocalyptic. Making it credible is a different matter.

 
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This seems quite a slanted take on events.

We've entered an age in this country where sectarian violence is at an all time low (historically), people live a lot longer, prosperity is up, more primitive morality is being abandoned. I won't argue that it's perfect, and we've a lot to learn, but this appears more of an ascension than a fall. It's like we're growing up, with all the troubles and angst that entails.
 
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For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Matthew 16:26
 
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For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Matthew 16:26

Thanks for the concern, but you are tilting at windmills.

As I said, it is easy to proclaim that the sky is falling in, but far harder to convince those who have eyes to see for themselves that it is actually happening. I live in England, I know English people; either English by birth, by ancestry, or by adoption, and I can tell you for a fact; there are no finer people on earth, and there are no people with a greater sense of justice, of fairness, of equity, and even of spirituality on earth. The English spirit is alive and well, it is deeply spiritual, and it lives in the ordinary people. Not the politicians, not the rich and famous; the ordinary people.

We can't be bought, and we have not sold our soul to anyone.

 
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Well said, U.
 
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I just don’t understand why you feel being attacked. I had no intention whatsoever to attack the English people. The excerpt from St Mathews gospel was not directed towards all British. It was directed to uberd00b’s response. I am afraid however that you have completely missed the point of the article above. It so striking that any disagreement, any different outlook to the modern deeply un-Christian (often anti-Christian) spirit in Europe is immediately perceived as a threat to society. No wonder secularism has led to a revival of every kind of extremism all over the world.
 
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Ok. So I guess for you attacking secular Britain is like attacking “England as a whole”. I am afraid if you honestly believe that there is nothing wrong with modern England and that England is a Christian country, there is no point in trying to prove me how disillusioned I am as that must be obvious to everyone straight from the beginning. It would be as if I argued that the sun won’t rise tomorrow. But I am not sure for the “credibility” of your arguments when Christians in England in their everyday lives are being treated with mockery and often with open persecution, when the media, education, the foundation of the whole state and society has nothing to do with Christianity (or any other form of “spirituality”) in contrary with what you’ve noted before. When role models of society are anything but Christians, when England supported wars against Christians in Europe and sided with mass murderers like Hasim Taci…. But really I don’t want to spoil your dream you can continue thinking as you do now. Nevertheless for the time being the statistics talk for themselves, practicing muslims in some years will outnumber Christians (or at least Protestants) in the UK.
 
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I am not English, but I am British, and I have lived and worked abroad.

There is no other country that I would want to call home. Although I am open to 2-3 years in another country to broaden my horizons (and count my blessings), there is no other place where I would want to live long-term.
 
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Britain and England are not synonymous.

I didn't say there is nothing wrong with England. What I said is what I said; that your description is not at all accurate, and that you are, therefore, tilting at windmills.

England is, indeed, a Christian country.



Christians in England are not being persecuted. I live here, and I have never encountered anything of the kind.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it is not consonant with my experience.


More nonsense. There is no correlation between the number of people attending church on any given Sunday, which is all that statistics can measure, and the number of Christians in England, which statistics do not measure. Anyone who actually lived here would know that. English people do not wear their hearts on their sleeves, but we are, nonetheless, a very deeply spiritual, and, indeed, deeply Christian, people.
 
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please specifically expand upon what so-called primitive morals are being abandoned.

I always raise a wry smile when secularists, humanists (insert label) tell us that our outdated views on marriage, same sex relations and a whole host of other issues are somehow becoming more irrelevant and unacceptable within this enlightened age.

Growing up? I would disagree. What I see happening is a society that is becoming more assured and steadfast in their beliefs, irrespective of what those beliefs are. So those who take offence to Muslim women covering their faces are free to express either their contempt or bemusement. At the same time Christians are free to lambast what they perceive as an ever increasing spiral into the depths of secularism.

As Christians, our struggles in the western world are very different to our brothers and sisters in countries like Pakistan, Iraq etc. Secularism is an integral part of our society, whether or not that is a good thing is purely subjective, but more "grown up?" that remains to be seen.
 
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Britain before the second world war was imperialistic, racist, and stratified in terms of class. Now it is, although not perfect, a country where people are generally free to express their beliefs, and do the whole "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" thing.

If some people want to look back at the days when "No dogs, no blacks, no Irish" was an acceptable viewpoint to hold, and it was considered the white man's burden to relieve the negro of his land and freedom, that's their choice. I choose to look towards a more tolerant and enlightened future.
 
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The English spirit is alive and well, it is deeply spiritual, and it lives in the ordinary people. Not the politicians, not the rich and famous; the ordinary people.

Why aren't the politicians, the rich or the famous allowed the English Spirit? Is it trademarked or something?
 
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Christianity is far from dead in England.

Christianity isn't dead in any part of the world- even in Saudi Arabia or North Korea, where Christians truly are persecuted. In fact, there's no condition where Christianity thrives more than when it is being persecuted.
 
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Christianity is far from dead in England.

Agreed, just because UK christians are by and large far more willing to coexist with and tolerate other opinions than their brethren elsewhere doesn't mean the religion is dying.
 
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Nevertheless for the time being the statistics talk for themselves, practicing muslims in some years will outnumber Christians (or at least Protestants) in the UK.

The Muslim population of Britain is something like 3% of the whole
. Yep, the statsistics speak for themselves allright......
 
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In fact there are ex-Muslims being baptised in the UK, but not publically of course as its too dangerous to advertise; so figures are often misleading.
There are major moves to Christ in some countries which are Islamic strongholds, we hear of the people's 'revolts' currently in Islamic countries and to a certain extent this is secular liberalism.
The thing about strongholds is that they eventually come tumbling down.
 
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