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I can't rule anyone out.Would Hitler be saved then? He was raised Catholic.
Salvation brings about the good works, but good works don't bring about (or maintain) the salvation. That's how I've always understood it, anyway.
Based on which of the thousands of denominations' understanding thereof, I wonder?Then I would suggest you understand the scripture on the Sheep and the Goats.
Jesus made things very clear there.
Based on which of the thousands of denominations' understanding thereof, I wonder?
"Very clear" is right.
Good luck with that.
I go with the first message the 2nd I don't go with.Many times when I discuss Eternal Security, I hear two different messages. One message says a true Christian is defined by loving Jesus and by being more Christ like. Yet, another message within Eternal Security says you can die in the unrepentant sin of lying, or the sin of unforgiveness, etc. and still be saved.
What doth thou sayeth?
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So now come the untruths/ lies. That says much!
You said:I have explained the gospel message to you previously, you ignore what you are shown.
You said:You claim when Paul states the Christian is not under a law of righteousness, he means non applicable OC law. Though time and time again you have been shown your belief to be false you refuse to accept it
No, it's a fact. If you've spent as much time on forums like this one as I have, you'd see it.
Honestly, that's just a cop out. do you use that one often?
What is not clear to you, maybe I can help?
If you cannot answer my question, I won't answer yoursI wouldn't know, I just told you I'm not, nor do I know anyone here that is doing that. I think there are some Jews that do, but aside from that, the accusation is merely something OSASr's often pretend their opponents do to make them look bad. It's a devious trick, but not something that surprises me coming from people who go to heaven no matter what they do.
I'm not under the law, not unless you mean God counting us as righteous if we accept and do the requirements God has set before us.
Do me a favor, read the scripture in Mathew on the Sheep an the Goats as a for instance, then tell me if you feel we need to take care of the poor in oerder to make it to heaven? And if so, does that mean you are under the law, because you are doing the works Jesus himself teaches us we must?
The letter that kills was in reference to the law written on tablets if stone/TC, law you accept that is part of NC law!You say I quote the letter of Scripture without understanding. Your attack is against me and not against the belief here. You focus your attack on me because your argument in Scripture is weak. For one, where did I quote the letter with no understanding? Prove your case with Scripture!
Actually, your reference to the "letter of the Law" is in reference to the Old Testament Law and not all Law.
“who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,” (2 Corinthians 3:6-7).
No. You shown your version of the gospel that is not taught in Scripture. Jude 1:4 condemns turning God's grace into a license for immorality.
And I have shown you with Scripture that Paul was talking about the Old Law as a Pharisee in Romans 7. We are told to serve in newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. We are told that we fulfill that righteous aspect or part of the Old Law by walking after the Spirit.
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Eternal Security is another name for Once Saved Always Saved. You cannot change the terms that have already been established. To redefine the term is not a good thing because you have to clarify what you mean (every time you use the term "Eternal Security" so as not to confuse people).
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Really, you strive to obey all the commands of Christ?.Yes, I strive to obey all of the commands of Christ. Are you saying you do not bother to strive at obeying Him?
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Thank you for the offer, but only God can help. Apparently we're not supposed to rely on man's wisdom, etc. etc. and so on and so forth.
If you cannot answer my question, I won't answer yours
So if a person lives under a law of righteousness, you don't know if they rely on observing the law to attain heaven/ ultimate salvation?Oh I see, another cop out. Are you saying you never rely on man's wisdom, or is that just a convince for the moment?
OK, even though I have no doubt the wisdom thing is not the truth when it comes to not answering, but if you insist, fine, just tell us what part you have a problem with? Or is dodging that your real reason?
Hello? the answer was I wouldn't know, It was a very honest answer, now answer mine, or is this were "cop-outs" start running a muck?
Oh I see, another cop out. Are you saying you never rely on man's wisdom, or is that just a convenience for the moment?
OK, even though I have no doubt the wisdom thing is not the truth when it comes to not answering, but if you insist, fine, just tell us what part you have a problem with? Or is dodging that your real reason?
Hello? the answer was I wouldn't know, It was a very honest answer, now answer mine, or is this were "cop-outs" start running a muck?
What would be nice is if you stopped using sin incorrectly as a theological point of difference because OSAS doesn't minimize or condone sin.Yes, many in the Eternal Security camp justify sins like lying and lusting after women as being minor or small sins to God.
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Those who seek the assurance of permanent salvation aren’t looking for a license to sin 24/7 – that’s a very worn-out straw-man.
What the assurance of set-in-stone salvation does is to keep one’s walk with the Lord from feeling like a tightrope walk across a flaming chasm where even the slightest misstep sends them hurling into the abyss for all eternity. And believe me, depending which denominational teachings one goes by, it doesn’t take much for one to be gloriously saved one minute and hell’s future firewood the next.
This is God (who is Love) we’re talking about, not some curmudgeonly, vengeful mother-in-law.
No, it's a fact. If you've spent as much time on forums like this one as I have, you'd see it.
Thank you for the offer, but only God can help. Apparently we're not supposed to rely on man's wisdom, etc. etc. and so on and so forth.
So if a person lives under a law of righteousness, you don't know if they rely on observing the law to attain heaven/ ultimate salvation?
With respect, you need to study the Bible more and pray for answers
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