The Double Message of Eternal Security.

JLB777 said:

Why don't you do this.

Make the point you are intending to make, and use scripture.

All you have done is state your opinion, and make insults.

Use scripture, or don't bother addressing me anymore.



JLB

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Jason0047 said:

There is nothing confusing in what he said. He is saying the 10 commandments are eternal moral laws and the 613 written commands of the Law of Moses (minus the 10) were temporary. Granted, I disagree with him on the Saturday Sabbath still being binding. I believe that to be a ceremonial law that has not been repeated in the New Testament. I also think there were other moral laws besdies the famous 9 out of the 10 commandments given to Moses on tablets of stone, too. Loving God and loving one's neighbor and helping a bird, etc. all fall under the moral law, as well.


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Jason0047 said:

There is nothing confusing in what he said. He is saying the 10 commandments are eternal moral laws and the 613 written commands of the Law of Moses (minus the 10) were temporary. Granted, I disagree with him on the Saturday Sabbath still being binding. I believe that to be a ceremonial law that has not been repeated in the New Testament. I also think there were other moral laws besdies the famous 9 out of the 10 commandments given to Moses on tablets of stone, too. Loving God and loving one's neighbor and helping a bird, etc. all fall under the eternal moral law, as well.


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JLB777 said:

Last time I will say it:

Galatians 5:18, specifically the word "law", is a reference to the law of Moses.

I said I'm not under the law of Moses, because I am in Christ, and the law of Moses was abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross.

Within the law of Moses, were the 10 commandments, as well as the ceremonial law of sacrifices, special washing requirements, circumcision, feast days, Sabbath Laws, and so forth.


JLB

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Jason0047 said:

He said the 10 commandments are eternal moral laws. He then essentially stated that the other laws within the Law of Moses was temporary. There is no contradiction in what he said.
I understood him just fine.

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Jason0047 said:

I did. I understood him just fine. You did not understand him even after I explained it to you. You are being disruptive to the thread topic and are just looking to insult and see things that are not there.



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Jason0047 said:

Yes, as I said, I disgree with him on what are the eternal moral laws of God.
Loving God and loving one's neighbor are eternal moral laws.


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Jason0047 said:

"But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away."(2 Corinthians 3:7).

Sounds like this is the Old Testament Law (the Law of Moses) and not New Covenant Law to me.


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JLB777 said:

I see from this statement you don't understand the difference between the Torah [Law], the first 5 books of the bible, and the law of Moses.




The law of Moses was abolished in His flesh, being nailed to the cross, not the Torah, the first five books of the bible.

Genesis was before the law of Moses, and shows us the 10 commandments were the law of the Lord, before Moses was ever born, even though Moses wrote the account of Genesis.


Example:

4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5

• Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

The 10 commandments are God's eternal Kingdom Law's.

The law of Moses was temporary, having been added to the Abrahamic Covenant because of transgression, until the Seed should come.


19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:19

• It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come

By saying "until", the Spirit was indicating the law was temporary.


The law of Moses was in effect, until Messiah, the Seed should come, and abolish in His flesh the law of commandments contained in ordinances.

Not the Torah [law], but the law of Moses.

• The 10 commandments are God's eternal kingdom laws.

Satan was guilty of murder and lies, even before mankind.

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. John 8:44


Again Jesus abolished the law of Moses, having nailed it to the cross, not the 10 Commandments.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:14

• that was against us

This phrase "that was against us", is a quote from Deuteronomy, referring to the law of Moses.


“Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; Deuteronomy 31:26


Understanding that the 10 commandments are eternal and did not begin with Moses is crucial.

Understanding that the law of Moses was abolished, and not the 10 commandments, is also crucial, otherwise we still need to sacrifice animals for our sins, and put to death those who violate the Sabbath, as well as those who commit adultery, and so on.



JLB

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Jason0047 said:

This is why it is impossible to talk with you.
You are looking to see problems and contradictions in what people say where none exist.
Have you ever had a hard time with communicating with people in the past before?
Or do you grille them falsely with them trying to fix what you falsey were thinking about what they said?


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ToBeLoved said:

The Law of Moses did not exist for Abraham. Abraham had a diff covenant with God.

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Jason0047 said:

Again, no contradiction.
God has eternal moral laws.
The written law did include these moral laws because they were eternal laws.
Anything not an eternal moral law in the written law of Moses was temporary.
Do you get it?
Are you going to just see contradictions again where none exist?


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Jason0047 said:

I remember meeting someone like you before once in person. This person was never able to connect with me and a buddy of mine because he was falsley critical and he tried to change our normal every day conversations on various different occasions. It was like he was waaay off in left field somewhere.

Anyways, I am placing you on ignore for being disruptive and for seeing problems where none exist.


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