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Do you not understand, your deeds, your thoughts, your words are the works of the flesh.


5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. Romans 8:5


Those who live according to the Spirit, are led by the Spirit of God within them, in which their thoughts, words, and deeds, come from a renewed mind, which springs forth from the mind of Christ.

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2


Those who have put forth the effort to renew their minds, have the ability to prove, discern, and know what the will of God is, that they may think, speak, and do what God's will is: Righteousness.

Practicing righteousness.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 1 John 3:7


Christians who never apply themselves to understanding, and study to show themselves approved to God, will be deceived, because they never diligently put forth the effort to seek God, or to renew their minds, or to: add to their faith... to love the truth.


But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
2 Peter 1:5-9


  • he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,



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You are NOT declared righteous by striving not to commit sin.

How many scriptures do you want concerning that?


Correct. Agreed.

We are declared righteous, by faith: the obedience of faith, a faith working by love.

Understanding what faith is, and how the law of faith works, is a good thing for us to discuss.


A faith that does not obey, is a faith that does not save; being dead, and unable to produce a divine result.


20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2;20-22

  • Was not Abraham our father justified by works

The work was not the "works of the law", nor was it a "work that earns", but the work being referred to here, was the corresponding work of obedience, to do what God spoke to him to do: which was offer Isaac on the altar.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26

  • for the obedience of faith

Faith without the corresponding action or work of obedience is dead.

Work = The effort obedience requires.



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Under a law of righteousness all sin leads to death. You failed the pass mark to be righteous
 
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They will be ever seeing but never perceiving
Ever hearing but never understanding
 
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Those who in their hearts truly love God don't need to concentrate on any warnings, it is the rest who do
 
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I have previously stated if an alcoholic who beats his wife, and is a habitual thief who constantly uses fouls language claims to have become a Christian, and a couple of months later nothing has changed, he proves he had dead faith. He was never truly born again in the first place
So I guess we agree.

Grace us a hard thing to understand, impossible through the human intellect.
For the whole of your life, from first to last you must live under a righteousness apart from observing the law.
The person who does this, and has asked Christ to be Lord and Saviour of their life, and in their heart truly loves God, has no need to fear warnings in scripture, or be told of the need to do works.
There is nothing more they will in their heart want to do than to please and obey God, for they live him.
For these people the power of sin is broken in their lives, for the power of sin is the law( of righteousness) 1cor15:56
The people who need to remind themselves they need to do good works are those who have not surrendered their lives to Christ and in their hearts do not truly love him above all else. And they are also the people who need to heed the warnings of scripture
 
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How in the world were those ordinances against anyone? People who didn't love God could faultlessly obey them.
You are stumbling around blindly in the dark Jason, unable to see the true way

For anyone interested in the truth. The ordinances Jason mentioned didn't condemn, it was the moral law that did
 
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Under a law of righteousness all sin leads to death. You failed the pass mark to be righteous

Scripture says otherwise.

"All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:17).


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Scripture says otherwise.

"All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:17).


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Under a law of righteousness any sin condemns.
John didn't live under a law of righteousness
 
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It is written...

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

Love is merely a part of the moral law (See Romans 13:8-10).


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It is written...

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

Love is merely a part of the moral law (See Romans 13:8-10).


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Why do I tarry with you Jason
Scripture tells us the letter that kills was the letter of the moral law/TC. It was that law that was the ministry of death and condemnation
 
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Why do I tarry with you Jason
Scripture tells us the letter that kills was the letter of the moral law/TC. It was that law that was the ministry of death and condemnation

"But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away."(2 Corinthians 3:7).

Sounds like this is the Old Testament Law (the Law of Moses) and not New Covenant Law to me.


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The world's sin is unbelief in me
john16:9

Think about it

Unbelief is not only in the person of Jesus but in the teachings of Jesus, too.
For if you believed in a Jesus that told you to jump off of a bridge, that would be another Jesus.
The Jesus of the Bible commands us to do many things (and not obeying these commands has dire after life consequences for anyone).

Think about it.


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The only law written on stone was the TC, law you believe the christian is under unto righteousness.
Old law and NC law
 
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