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I believe that a believer can repent (confess of their sins) to Jesus if they sin and then be forgiven or restored. Serious sin is spiritual death for both the unbeliever and the believer. God is not a respecter of persons. A person cannot abide in unrepentant serious sin (like lying or lusting after a woman) and be saved. It doesn't work like that.
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I will second that. Excellent questionVerses your theology which makes up a second salvation that doesn't exist to go with the gospel of works?Now why did Jesus need to die for that?
When Paul states in rom 7:4 the believer must die to the law. In that verse is he referring to the moral law, which includes thou shalt not covet, or is he notIn Romans 7:4 Paul is referring to the Old Testament Law.
In Romans 7:14-24, Paul again is referring to the moral law within the Old Law as a Pharisee. At this point in time he is not aware of New Covenant Law yet.
Paul never makes a direct connection to saying that the Law in Romans 7:4 that is dead is the moral law in Romans 7:14-24. In fact, Paul says that we should SERVE in NEWNESS of Spirit and not in the Oldness of the Letter (Romans 7:6). This suggests that there is a change in the Law as Hebrews 7:12 says.
Paul is recounting his past struggle with trying to keep the moral law without Jesus. He does this so as to how the futility of trying to obey God's good eternal moral laws without Jesus. Romans 13:14 says put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ so as to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
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When Paul states in rom 7:4 the believer must die to the law. In that verse is he referring to the moral law, which includes thou shalt not covet, or is he not
I am asking YOU if YOU believe when Paul states in rom7:4 the believer must die to the law, he is including: Thou shalt not covet in that statementJust because you say so, does not mean it is true.
You need to clearly connect the dots that this is so.
Also, you have to explain Ephesians 5:5 because it contradicts your thinking here.
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One doesn't have to inherit a Kingdom to be an inhabitant of it.Also, you have to explain Ephesians 5:5 because it contradicts your thinking here.
He doesn't understand Pauls message. And eph5:5 is pure deflection to avoid what is plainly being stated in rom ch7One doesn't have to inherit a Kingdom to be an inhabitant of it.
Just wanted to correct ist century lady's false assumption.
So are you now saying Paul IS referring to the moral law in rom 7:4-6, including thou shalt not covet?
Surely not
Just because you say so, does not mean it is true.
You need to clearly connect the dots that this is so.
Also, you have to explain Ephesians 5:5 because it contradicts your thinking here.
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Unless Jason has had a road to Damascus experience he does NOT believe the Christian is not under the law concerning: Thou shalt notsWhat did I get wrong? The hope that you too could stop fighting?
Unmerited favor means I didn't do anything to deserve it...right. Jason just said grace is obeying God's commandments.No, cheap grace is believing grace is a license to sin. And that is what Jason also means.
Exactly what confused you in what I said.
Unless Jason has had a road to Damascus e perience he does NOT believe the Christian is not under the law concerning: Thou shalt nots
Unmerited favor means I didn't do anything to deserve it...right. Jason just said grace is obeying God's commandments.
What did I get wrong?
That is going against the Holy Spirit in you.
You said:And yes, you must repent of serious sins, and turn away from it and back toward God. That was not the question.
You said:The question is do you see grace in the life of a believer to still be "unmerited favor" or "great power"?
I'm trying to show you. I repeatedly ask Jason if in his view when Paul states in rom 7/4 the Christian must die to the law/ not be under it, Paul is including: thou shalt not covet in that statement
So far he seems reluctant to answer, which as strange as previously he has been adamant Paul is not referring to : thou shalt not covet in that verse
To clarify, if I tell a lie and repent...God will forgive me. If I tell another lie...I suffer spiritual death. Right?I believe that a believer can repent (confess of their sins) to Jesus if they sin and then be forgiven or restored. Serious sin is spiritual death for both the unbeliever and the believer. God is not a respecter of persons. A person cannot abide in unrepentant serious sin (like lying or lusting after a woman) and be saved. It doesn't work like that.
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You are very wrong here. You wrote that Jason had made a good post regarding his view the Christian is not under law concerning:. Thou shalt not.That's only because he is as stubborn as you. LOL
Neither of you want to find a common ground. You want to bicker over how to come to the same outcome - nobody's dead.
I'm trying to show you. I repeatedly ask Jason if in his view when Paul states in rom 7/4 the Christian must die to the law/ not be under it, Paul is including: thou shalt not covet in that statement
So far he seems reluctant to answer, which as strange as previously he has been adamant Paul is not referring to : thou shalt not covet in that verse
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