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My point is stop acting like a hot head and if you cannot converse then maybe leave the thread because your acting ridiculous.
Actually, I think we can stop talking all together.
I've got him on ignore. Anyone who states they don't seek to be justified in Christ and Pauls message doesnt apply to them is never going to be able to discern spiritual truth. It's just long posts, reeling off much of the letter without understanding the message contained in the letter they are quoting.My point is stop acting like a hot head and if you cannot converse then maybe leave the thread because your acting ridiculous.
Actually, I think we can stop talking all together. See you later and may God bless you.
I really like to talk about scripture, but this thread has taken a nose dive.
stuart - I've got him on ignore. Anyone who states they don't seek to be justified in Christ and Pauls message doesnt apply to them.
I'm going to do that too. He is now doing CAPS, bold and red text to get attention.I've got him on ignore. Anyone who states they don't seek to be justified in Christ and Pauls message doesnt apply to them is never going to be able to discern spiritual truth. It's just long posts, reeling off much of the letter without understanding the message contained in the letter they are quoting.
Plus he gets over animated, to put it mildly and keeps claiming he hasn't stated what everyone believes he has stated.
Nothing to be gained by reading the posts in my view
I will respond to this, but I don't see any point in debating for the reasons already given, so just think of it as a statement.I don't really google roadkill. LOL
I was in bed thinking about what you believe, and I think my problem is I know what you believe about law, but not about sin. Maybe that clue will come out in one of your posts to Dan or the lionhead guy.
I will respond to this, but I don't see any point in debating for the reasons already given, so just think of it as a statement.
The core of the new covenant states the law is written on your mind and placed in your heart, and your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.
Only those who actually believe it understand the truth.
So the Christian knows the sin problem got taken care of, in respect of Christ dying for their sins/ transgressions of the law.
Because that is so, the power of sin has been removed from their life( 1cor15:56)
There is now no condemnation for the believer.
The Christian is a work in progress their whole life. They are BEING made Holy( heb10:14) if you are BEING made Holy you are not perfect in your flesh, so you will sin in your flesh, but as long as you are following this work in progress and growing to live an evermore holy life, you have peace, and freedom for in your heart you know Christ died for your imperfections.
The problem comes when the Christian steps outside of this work in progress.
This would require a Christian committing sin they are not seeking freedom from slavery of through faith in Christ.
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They meet someone and sleep with them, they give into the flesh. What happens then, they have stepped outside of the work in progress? Their conscience is going to be seered, because they have gone against what is in their heart. They will have no rest, and no peace until the come before their Father in heaven and seek his forgiveness for what they have done. Then they get their peace back. What if they sleep with the person again and again? Well we are speaking here of people who understand the truth of the message ONLY.
And I have to say, this is not a scenario I have come accross. I know plenty of people who have attended church and had sexual partners outside of marriage, but none of them understood the truth of the gospel message. They did not believe their sins and lawless deeds would be remembered no more. So they still lived under the true power of sin. That's the big problem.
Is it possible for someone who actually does understand the true message to become so hardened by continual wilfull sin they no longer repent?
You decide! But the whole point of knowing your sin problem was taken care of is, it removes sins power from your life.
The little grey cells will never understand/ be able to work out the true spiritual message will they.
As a child, I used to read my Bible during the sermon( they bored me I'm afraid) and I used to wonder why: Thou shalt not covet, was one of the TC. I could understand the other nine being there, but not the tenth. I figured God just wanted to round the number up to ten, so tagged that one along at the end. A commandment I considered of far less importance than the others. But in those days I thought coveting only referred to material goods, such as coveting your neighbours car or house for example. Now I know better. Because King David coveted he quickly broke two more of the TC one after the other. And Paul gave that commandment as the example of why he had to die to the law. It is huge isn't it, and as you allude to, the most exciting to break. and the hardest to Keep I would say, along with the firstSexual sins are the most attractive to anyone. I think that is why so much time and space was devoted to them in scripture.
As a child, I used to read my Bible during the sermon( they bored me I'm afraid) and I used to wonder why: Thou shalt not covet, was one of the TC. I could understand the other nine being there, but not the tenth. I figured God just wanted to round the number up to ten, so tagged that one along at the end. A commandment I considered of far less importance than the others. But in those days I thought coveting only referred to material goods, such as coveting your neighbours car or house for example. Now I know better. Because King David coveted he quickly broke two more of the TC one after the other. And Paul gave that commandment as the example of why he had to die to the law. It is huge isn't it, and as you allude to, the most exciting to break. and the hardest to Keep I would say, along with the first
Yes, coveting wrecks lives doesn't it, has started wars, destroyed families and so much more. And coveting is a commandnent you can break without anyone but God knowing you are doing so.Coveting is why my husband left me for the wife of his best friend. His friend was everything he had ever wanted to be. They both had been in the Navy, but his friend had been a Navy Seal and even did still-secret missions. I think wanting his life was his downfall, and it all started with coveting.
It's interesting. We've talked about the law placed within us. When I reached puberty, I still believed the written commandment not to covet only referred to material goods, but in my mind I instinctively knew impure thoughts were sin. So the true meaning and depth to that commandment, was written in my mind and placed on my heartCoveting is why my husband left me for the wife of his best friend. His friend was everything he had ever wanted to be. They both had been in the Navy, but his friend had been a Navy Seal and even did still-secret missions. I think wanting his life was his downfall, and it all started with coveting.
#1, there's nothing I like more than when people totally focus on THE ARGUMENT over the man!! Even a person who is wrong 90% of the time is right 10% of the time. Sometimes I'll read Youtube posts of disagreement, and I can literally see FIFTY comments in a row where there 'Argument' is not an argument, rather calling the person a name, or an appeal to authority UGH, drives me crazy. 'Everyone knows' 'Scientists Say' 'Experts Agree'...makes me wanna pull my hair out. Always refreshing to read "I'm not a fan of (...) but here he makes this good point..."While I am not a big Dan Corner fan, he does make a great eye opening point here in regards to this "Double Message within Eternal Security."
To see what I am talking about, here is a video debate between Dan Corner and Mark Driscoll.
Mark Driscoll Mars Hill Church Dan Corner Debate
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If you have righteousness apart from observing the law, is this a licence to sin?Coveting is why my husband left me for the wife of his best friend. His friend was everything he had ever wanted to be. They both had been in the Navy, but his friend had been a Navy Seal and even did still-secret missions. I think wanting his life was his downfall, and it all started with coveting.
Coveting.
Adding a little to this, I think sexual sins are also sins of the mind and heart and not necessarily sins of action as we would think most sins to be.Sexual sins are the most attractive to anyone. I think that is why so much time and space was devoted to them in scripture.
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