The Double Message of Eternal Security.

1stcenturylady said:

And when you aren't trying to deliberately pull somebody's chain, you can convey some sense when you talk about the Spirit. Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning. You know that, so say it.

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What is involved in developing the fruits or gifts of the Spirit...?

1stcenturylady said:

And when you aren't trying to deliberately pull somebody's chain, you can convey some sense when you talk about the Spirit. Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning. You know that, so say it.

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You see, people who say they don't commit sin, cannot live up to such statements. I have decades of experience of this in churches where people inferred it. Even family members who inferred it. They excuse the sin they do commit as no sin at all. They justify their sin!
You see to preach a message of:
Perform perfect or God will threaten you with hell is to neglect the love of God. That is the message the Pharisees preached. And they neglected the love of God( luke11:42)
The underlying truth concerning the literal letter is of God's love, mercy and compassion to his children, those he loves. You and many others ignore that underlying truth, as the Pharisees did and just preach the letter, and without that underlying truth, no one can or will attain heaven.
What did King David ultimately rely on?
I trust in God's unfailing love forever and ever.

You and others ignore that unfailing love.
Perform nigh on perfect or you are in dangers of the fires of hell. That is not a message of a loving God.
And so, the overwhelming majority of people who go to your kind of Churches that espouse this teaching come from loving, secure backgrounds. They are then far more likely to come from the more affluent, intellectually gifted half of society, and statistically speaking they are far less likely to suffer from smoking, having extra marital affairs, drinking excessively or using foul language( though not always is this the case).
They then convince themselves they don't commit sin based on a very shallow understanding of what sin actually is.
And so, a hugely untapped market, mostly( not always) gets shut out of the kingdom. People in desperate need, their lives are in desperate straits. But however desperate they are they would never dream of turning to God, for they believe what you preach is the truth.
Perform nigh on perfect or God will either threaten you will hell or cast you into hell.

Neogaia777 said:

What is involved in developing the fruits or gifts of the Spirit...?

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Understanding.

1stcenturylady said:

What do you think would have happened to Judas' soul if he had not killed himself? It seems to me he repented; he gave back the money. Could his sin have been forgiven?

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Because he gave back the money, being filled with guilt, doesn't mean he went to Jesus, and repented.

Being filled with guilt doesn't mean we are forgiven.

Guilt is the mechanism by which we turn to God and confess our sin and are forgiven.


Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
Luke 17:1-4

• if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”

The principal of being forgiven: return to the Lord, repent, confess and be forgiven.

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

Judas never returned to the Lord, and repented.




JLB

ToBeLoved said:

Your wrong about Judas. He is the son of perdition in that verse.

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He became a traitor; he became a son of perdition.

He was a faithful disciple for 3 1/2 years, the was promoted to an apostle, then he became a traitor.


He was the one thing, then became the other.

That's the lesson, we are to learn from his example:

• Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 1 Corinthians 10:12

• And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. Matthew 24:4

• Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. Luke 11:35

JLB

1stcenturylady said:

Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning.

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I agree.
And Scripture is clear, once the commitment unto the Lord IS established;
It is the understanding that is paramount.

People "should" not require a repetitive conversation regarding what is common knowledge and carnal understanding.

People "do" require the Spirit of God, for Gods Understanding of the knowledge revealed in Scriptures.

The very basics of Scripture reveals; mans carnal understanding of scriptures and Gods understanding of scriptures are two different "understandings".

It is "Gods understanding" that God desires a man ("established" in the Spirit) to seek and have.

The "corruptness" springs forth WHEN; one man "without" Gods understanding attempts to "goad a debate" with his carnal understanding WITH a person who is speaking with Gods Understanding.

I agree as you pointed out; Ignoring the the Spirit and attempting to foster a debate
by making accusations and other maliciousness.

Rom 1
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

God desires those established in the Spirit, to understand according to His understanding.

His understanding is a Gift to those established in the Spirit.

And why, those, NOT established in the Spirit, and hear and read scriptures over and over and over; and NEVER understand what the scriptures mean.

Satan is our prime example. He knows the scripture. But he doesn't understand it.

Men mimic what Satan does. They scour the scriptures and then attempt to use them as a weapon against those established in the Spirit.

The ploy is to pick and choose scriptures THAT DO NOT APPLY to one who is established in the Spirit, and pretend they are applicable.

A man WHO IS established in the Spirit; IS a man WHOM God has justified and sanctified.

To sanctify IS to set apart and make HOLY unto God. The individual WHO is established in the Spirit; IS established BECAUSE of WHAT HE personally DID and God personally accepted and changed the man.

The man WHO IS set apart IS HOLY unto God.

That WHICH God has made HOLY unto God ~ IS NOT thereafter capable of committing SIN! He CANNOT sin!

And the man WHO lacks Gods understanding; WILL be the one who attempts to foster a debate with his carnal understanding as if his natural mindful understanding supersedes Gods Spiritual understanding. That is a colossal fail.

There is also a HUGE lack of understanding among men of WHAT SIN IS.
But that is for another discussion.

God Bless,
SBC

JLB777 said:

He became a traitor; he became a son of perdition.

He was a faithful disciple for 3 1/2 years, the was promoted to an apostle, then he became a traitor.


He was the one thing, then became the other.

That's the lesson, we are to learn from his example:

• Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 1 Corinthians 10:12

• And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. Matthew 24:4

• Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. Luke 11:35

JLB

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Adding to your lesson ~
Jesus as our example ~ further Jesus' Disciples as our example.

1) - an introduction ~Jesus was introduced to us ~ the Disciples were introduced
2) - Learn ABOUT that which is introduced
3) - the "learning" ABOUT is more than NAME and ADDRESS!
4) - the learning "ABOUT" is hearing what they say
5) - paralleling what they "say" to Scripture.
6) - THEN the individual hearing can decide to BELIEVE or NOT the one who was introduced.
7) - Following along listening, believing, doubting, believing, wondering, believing, IS the NORMAL process when learning ABOUT anything or anyone.

NOW the crucial part for the individual ~ ie THE DECISION
The DECISION to "COMMIT" IN FOREVER FAITHFULNESS ....to believe and following along....
OR
The DECISION to walk AWAY.

#7 IS a man having FAITH. As long as he is following along, he IS being enlightened to the TRUTH. He is NOT committed, but he is in FAITH. At ANY TIME he can "walk away"; (ie FALL AWAY)

Satan is an example of falling away.
Judas is an example of falling away.

The difference between an angel that falls away and a man who falls away IS:
An angel can never return to God and become in faithfulness in God.
A man can return to God and become in faithfulness to God.
....And remember DEAD MEN know nothing do nothing ~ and thus it requires a LIVING
....man to make the decisions regarding faithfulness.

8) a man WHO walks AWAY, and never returns, is a man who has fallen away and shall
....be judged and sentenced to be forever separated from God; as such man made his
....choice to be separated from God, so shall he be.

9) a man WHO chooses "to COMMIT" in faithfulness unto God, and his commitment IS
....a TRUE confession; Such man SHALL BECOME "established" as BELONGING to God.

10) Nothing has the POWER greater than God; to depart from God what has been "established" as Gods faithful possession.

11) Jesus our example ~
arrived on earth to ALLOW man to SEE an example (why)?

Scripture tells us WHY. OT men could "only" hear from God. That was not satisfactory. They begged to SEE. God called them stiffnecked, that hearing was not sufficient. God promised mankind he would SEE.

12) Jesus our example ~ from men "seeing" "just a man" to understanding he IS "the Christ", God among us, and all the things in between. Jesus "learning", Jesus "receiving", Jesus "empowered by the Spirit of God", Jesus speaking "truths", Jesus exalting the Father, Jesus, the "faithful" servant, Jesus giving his "body unto death", Jesus "giving his blood", Jesus rising from the grave, Jesus being HOLY without sin,etc.

ALL the exact same things that applies to a natural man, WHO desires to be "established" in the Spirit of God.

Any earthly man WHO desires to be "established" WITH God; MUST make that careful and crucial decision to BE forever faithful to God. Period.

And it is taught to FIRST learn ABOUT, (due diligence), following along, keep following along, and BE SURE of your decision (choice/election); THEN, call on the Lord, and make your commitment, and become a FAITHFUL "servant", which IS to do what Jesus did; Speak the truth about God, Exalt and praise God, etc.....so that others may hear and desire to also follow along and become faithful unto God.

2Pet.1

1. [10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Pet.4

1. [19] Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1Pet.2

1. [23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

Scripture reveal Judas was a follower, being enlightened to the truth, stopped trusting the truth, fell away from the truth......AND.....betrayed the truth.
Judas did not return to the truth, and ended his own natural life, giving himself no opportunity to return to the truth.

Judas ~ a good example of him having a temporary problem (falling away, betrayal) and him deciding a permanent solution (suicide).

Lesson there is; No problem is too great for God....however once a man decides a permanent solution (suicide); the man has taken the true problem solver and comforter (God), out of the picture for Him to assist.

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Actually since he likes to post the same thing over and over and ask the same questions over and over, I figured he would like the same treatment. I thought doing that on all one page would be more convenient then spreading it out over numerous posts.

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Next time please include gifs if funny meme's for my personal entertainment while you guys beef.

1stcenturylady said:

And when you aren't trying to deliberately pull somebody's chain, you can convey some sense when you talk about the Spirit. Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning. You know that, so say it.

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Ok, I will say it. The more you look to Christ and trust in him to change you through the power of the Holy Spirit, knowing he is your righteousness before God, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in your life( gal5:22) the fruits of the Spirit are the embodiment of how God wants you to live, therefore against that fruit there is no law( verse23). For that fruit will not bring you into conflict with the good and holy laws of God.
However, many, rather than do the above look to the law, strive to obey it, believing if they commit any sin they cannot be in a saved state. They live under the law of sin and death without even realising they are doing it

"You see, people who say they don't commit sin, cannot live up to such statements."

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People who are "established" in the Spirit, belong to God, not the world.
God sets them apart as sanctified. Sanctified IS Holy. That which IS Holy, can not sin.

People who claim they are "established" in the Spirit, and know not what it means, are they who further do not understand a man God makes Holy, can not sin.

Such men without understanding; THINK they are justified, because they go to Church and read scriptures....and then THINK they are appointed to CHALLENGE an "established" man; with worldly nonsense.

I have decades of experience of this in churches where people inferred it. Even family members who inferred it. They excuse the sin they do commit as no sin at all.

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Experience in churches? Irrelevant.
"established men" do not excuse their sin. They are abreast of the fact; God forgave their sins. They UNDERSTAND, God has sanctified them. They do not concern themselves with your worldly accusations. It's irrelevant. It has no effect whatsoever on their salvation, or their relationship with the Lord.

They justify their sin!

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False. Their sin has been washed. They sin no more. God has justified them.
It matters not IF YOU justify them. You are not their savior or judge.

"You and many others ignore that underlying truth,"

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There is no "underlying" secret TRUTH. TRUTHS that were NOT revealed and kept secret in the OT, were uncovered, revealed, opened, that NOTHING is hidden.

What IS hidden from carnal men, is the UNDERSTANDING of the Truth revealed.

What did King David ultimately rely on?

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Gods TRUTH.

I trust in God's unfailing love forever and ever.

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When you learn to TRUST Gods WORD, you will have a more favorable outcome.

You and others ignore that unfailing love.

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God is LOVE. Gods LOVE pertains to God. A mans LOVE toward God, IS established; BEFORE the man is "established IN Gods Spirit".

It is complete nonsense, and a worldly tactic, to demand a man "established" in Gods Spirit, satisfy your silly questions about a mans love toward God.

Any man WHO is learned in Scriptures, and learned in what a man "established" in Gods Spirit means.....would already KNOW, the love between the man and God was already established "BETWEEN" that man and God.
No one is required to satisfy your silly questions.

Everyone who IS "established" in Gods spirit KNOWS how to recognize a man who Loves God.
hint, hint, for the worldly man to recognize ~ A man "established" in Gods Spirit holds God above all other things. He NEVER speaks AGAINST God.

Perform nigh on perfect or you are in dangers of the fires of hell. That is not a message of a loving God.

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Of course that is the message of a Loving God.
"DANGER" is a warning.
"IF" a man DOES NOT become made HOLY and PERFECT "BY" God Himself;
Absolutely that man IS in DANGER of Hell fire!

And so, the overwhelming majority of people who go to your kind of Churches that espouse this teaching come from loving, secure backgrounds. They are then far more likely to come from the more affluent, intellectually gifted half of society, and statistically speaking they are far less likely to suffer from smoking, having extra marital affairs, drinking excessively or using foul language( though not always is this the case).
They then convince themselves they don't commit sin based on a very shallow understanding of what sin actually is.
And so, a hugely untapped market, mostly( not always) gets shut out of the kingdom. People in desperate need, their lives are in desperate straits. But however desperate they are they would never dream of turning to God, for they believe what you preach is the truth.
Perform nigh on perfect or God will either threaten you will hell or cast you into hell.

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And so - you give an irrelevant, carnal minded accusatory commentary, making inflammatory accusations, against churches, people, characteristics, of people you do not know, AS IF IT IS FACT, while claiming the importance of TRUTH.

The TRUTH IS ~ carnal minded teaching about spiritual things is a FAIL, and requires no consideration of a man "established" in the Spirit of God.

The TRUTH IS ~ inasmuch as the fruits of a man "established" in the Spirit of God is openly revealed ~ so are the fruits of a man who walks in the worldly ways.

God establishes a man in His Spirit according to His WAY.
God justifies. God sanctifies. God makes them Holy. God makes them Perfect. God Keeps them unto Him.

And a man so "established IN Gods Spirit", has NO CAUSE whatsoever, to keep silent, about what their AWESOME Lord God Almighty has done for them ~

EVEN when; others, claim Gods Work in such an "established" man - is false and not possible!

Absolutely a man is in DANGER of hell fire...."IF" he is not "established IN Gods Spirit" and made HOLY and PERFECT!

Two ears, one mouth the Lord has given you. Listen and learn, before you speak!

1stcenturylady said:

And when you aren't trying to deliberately pull somebody's chain, you can convey some sense when you talk about the Spirit. Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning. You know that, so say it.

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To add to my previous post( so as not to make it too long). The believers who live under the law of sin and death( those who say if you commit a sin you cannot be born again/saved) cannot themselves cease sin. For Christians are not preprogrammed robots who always perfectly follow the manual. What must these people do who commit sin but believe they cannot be a Christian if they do so?
They live in denial, they justify their actions as not really committing sin
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Someone gets exasperated in a debate, they may get a bit desperate so they exaggerate what another has stated, the exaggeration grows into an outright lie. Do they face up to the fact they have lied( born false witness) and apologise when faced with their lie?
Very rarely, they carry on trying to justify the sin as no sin at all.

The belief that if you commit a sin you are in danger of being thrown into the fires of hell until you quickly repent, is most prevelent in the RC church and amongst Pentecostals and certain charismatic churches

Ok, I will say it. The more you look to Christ and trust in him to change you through the power of the Holy Spirit, knowing he is your righteousness before God, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in your life( gal5:22) the fruits of the Spirit are the embodiment of how God wants you to live, therefore against that fruit there is no law( verse23). For that fruit will not bring you into conflict with the good and holy laws of God.
However, many, rather than do the above look to the law, strive to obey it, believing if they commit any sin they cannot be in a saved state. They live under the law of sin and death without even realising they are doing it[/QUOTE]

Fact IS; Jesus IS mankind's VISIBLE TRUTH.

Fact IS; Scripture IS mankind's WRITTEN TRUTH.

Fact IS; A man "established" in the Spirit of God; God Himself justifies, makes Holy and Perfect

Fact IS; That which IS, everlasting IS, without beginning without ending IS, the Holy, Perfect, Lord God Almighty.

FACT IS: That/He which commits in forever faithfulness, unto thee Holy and Perfect everlasting Lord God Almighty; thee Lord God Almighty Himself; MAKES Holy and Perfect unto Him FOREVER!

FACT IS: you don't believe it!

FACT IS: you speak against it.

FACT IS: you attempt to ridicule those who DO BELIEVE IT!

FACT IS: you are the one in DANGER and are too BLIND to SEE, and to deaf to HEAR.

FACT IS: you must reject the TRUTH to promote your charade.

TRUTH:

Matt.5

1. [48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke.6

1. [40] The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

John.17
[23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;

Rom.15

[16] That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Even Herod, NOT established in Gods Spirit recognized a man sanctified By God!

Mark.6
[20] For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him;

Rom.12

1. [1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

IF you do not UNDERSTAND God MAKES what is faithfully HIS; sanctified and holy and incapable of sinning, BY HIS POWER; YOU have MISSED one of the most important teaching in Scripture.

And the question begs an answer; How does that HUGE IMPORTANT MESSAGE NOT realized by one who admittedly has attended several churches over a period of 40 years?

Perhaps you are reading without understanding.
Perhaps you are settling in with churches that teach a comfortable mindset,
instead of the TRUTH of Gods supreme POWER to make a faithful man acceptable to Him.

Seems you are content in deciding a man must become acceptable to you.
That is your danger.
That is your MO. Grilling and bullying men to YOUR satisfaction.

Sorry friend ~ but you and your acceptances and satisfactions and understandings are irrelevant in what transpires between ONE man and God.

IF you are NOT made perfect, made holy, BY the Holy Spirit; THEE HOLY SPIRIT has no place IN YOU.

God Bless,
SBC

stuart lawrence said:

The believers who live under the law of sin and death( those who say if you commit a sin you cannot be born again/saved) cannot themselves cease sin.

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The believers in the word of God, WHO live UNDER THE LAW, are those to whom the Law was given!

The Law was given to the Hebrews, the Jews........NOT the Gentiles!

Jesus did not destroy the Law. The Hebrews/Jews still live UNDER THE LAW!

Matt.5

1. [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus came to FULFILL the law. The GENTILES (who were never UNDER THE LAW) accept Jesus' fulfillment of Hebrew/Jewish LAWS.

The Hebrews/Jews DO NOT accept Jesus' fulfillment of the "THEIR" Laws.
Gentiles do!

So you preaching to Gentile Christians about BEING UNDER THE LAW; as if you think they are under the Law....or pretending they think they are under the Law....is MOOT.

Gentile Christians are not claiming to be UNDER Hebrew/Jewish Law -

You are simply making implications, to something Gentile Christians are NOT SAYING, then giving a speech as if it is relevant. It isn't.

Hebrews/Jews believe and obey according to what and how God provided for THEM to become acceptable and perfect and holy unto God.

Christians believe and obey according to what and how God provided for THEM to become acceptable and perfect and holy unto God.

You attempting to mix the two simply creates a muddled mess confounding the TRUTH.

I specifically asked you WHAT LAW you kept carrying on and on about.
You either didn't know, or ignored it's importance, regardless you never answered.

Gentiles are NOT under Hebrew/Jews LAW. Period.

Pretending your lectures have significance when speaking to Gentile Christians about "THE LAW", which IS Hebrew/Jewish Law; implying FOR THEM, there is ANY parallel between them not under the law and Jews under the law; is nonsense.

The belief that if you commit a sin you are in danger of being thrown into the fires of hell until you quickly repent, is most prevelent in the RC church and amongst Pentecostals and certain charismatic churches

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Bashing churches is irrelevant.

Anyone who is not made holy by the power of the Holy Spirit IS in danger of being cast into hell.

Anyone who is to stubborn to accept the truth puts his own self in danger

Being ignorant and unknowing of HOW TO become made Sanctified by the Holy Spirit, is by a mans own choices.

Anyone too stubborn to learn that becoming Sanctified by the Holy Spirit IS the Holy Spirit MAKING the man holy.

You can REJECT scriptural teaching. You can REJECT the Holy Spirit making you holy.
You can instead spend your efforts bashing others; who learn and trust and believe in Gods awesome supreme power within them; to make them an acceptable holy and perfect son of God!

Pity.

A statement by another poster;

You see, people who say they don't commit sin, cannot live up to such statements.

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People who say they don't commit sin;
ARE people the Lord has sanctified, which means the Lord has made holy.
He who is made holy, is he whom has become born of God.
He who is become born of God, can not commit sin.

He who TRUSTS the scriptures are TRUE, would not bash others who believe the scriptures are true.

The Scripture is VERY straight forward.
Suitable for a child with little understanding to grasp what it says and means.

Astounding that anyone claiming to be steeped in years of having the Scriptures at hand; are so faulty in their trust and belief of what the scripture says regarding a man born of God.

Astounding!

1John.3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

1 John 3
[9]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin.... he cannot sin...

Neogaia777 said:

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Complete repentance. It is how we receive Jesus in the first place, and receive His gift of the Holy Spirit. And how we grow fruit, not just one or two, but ALL the fruit. Some may get bigger than others, but He gives us the heart and willingness to bear them all.

It is not the same with the gifts. But complete repentance is still how we receive the Holy Spirit who gives each one supernatural gifts.

stuart lawrence said:

You see, people who say they don't commit sin, cannot live up to such statements. I have decades of experience of this in churches where people inferred it. Even family members who inferred it. They excuse the sin they do commit as no sin at all. They justify their sin!
You see to preach a message of:
Perform perfect or God will threaten you with hell is to neglect the love of God. That is the message the Pharisees preached. And they neglected the love of God( luke11:42)
The underlying truth concerning the literal letter is of God's love, mercy and compassion to his children, those he loves. You and many others ignore that underlying truth, as the Pharisees did and just preach the letter, and without that underlying truth, no one can or will attain heaven.
What did King David ultimately rely on?
I trust in God's unfailing love forever and ever.

You and others ignore that unfailing love.
Perform nigh on perfect or you are in dangers of the fires of hell. That is not a message of a loving God.
And so, the overwhelming majority of people who go to your kind of Churches that espouse this teaching come from loving, secure backgrounds. They are then far more likely to come from the more affluent, intellectually gifted half of society, and statistically speaking they are far less likely to suffer from smoking, having extra marital affairs, drinking excessively or using foul language( though not always is this the case).
They then convince themselves they don't commit sin based on a very shallow understanding of what sin actually is.
And so, a hugely untapped market, mostly( not always) gets shut out of the kingdom. People in desperate need, their lives are in desperate straits. But however desperate they are they would never dream of turning to God, for they believe what you preach is the truth.
Perform nigh on perfect or God will either threaten you will hell or cast you into hell.

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Stuart, I've heard you talk about the laws on your heart. Who put them there? The Spirit, that's who. Those are the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, to love God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. They are NOT the Old Covenant laws of sin and death.

But why do they seem the same? Thou shalt not kill? Love prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not steal? Self-control prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not commit adultery? Faithfulness prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not covet? Peace and contentment prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not lie? Kindness prevents that in your new nature. Honor your parents? Longsuffering and gentleness takes care of them for as long as they live. Believing in the name of Jesus Christ? Joy unspeakable!

Whatever you wouldn't want done to yourself, you do to others.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Those who have to STRIVE to be all the above, don't have the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, they are still trying to keep the law of sin and death in THEIR OWN strength. Their carnal nature makes it hard.

1stcenturylady said:

Stuart, I've heard you talk about the laws on your heart. Who put them there? The Spirit, that's who. Those are the laws of the Spirit of life in Christ, to love God with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. They are NOT the Old Covenant laws of sin and death.

But why do they seem the same? Thou shalt not kill? Love prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not steal? Self-control prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not commit adultery? Faithfulness prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not covet? Peace and contentment prevents that in your new nature. Thou shalt not lie? Kindness prevents that in your new nature. Honor your parents? Longsuffering and gentleness takes care of them for as long as they live. Believing in the name of Jesus Christ? Joy unspeakable!

Whatever you wouldn't want done to yourself, you do to others.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Those who have to STRIVE to be all the above, don't have the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, they are still trying to keep the law of sin and death in THEIR OWN strength. Their carnal nature makes it hard.

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How do you know what the laws are that God places in our hearts?

JLB777 said:

Because he gave back the money, being filled with guilt, doesn't mean he went to Jesus, and repented.

Being filled with guilt doesn't mean we are forgiven.

Guilt is the mechanism by which we turn to God and confess our sin and are forgiven.


Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
Luke 17:1-4

• if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”

The principal of being forgiven: return to the Lord, repent, confess and be forgiven.

• If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

Judas never returned to the Lord, and repented.




JLB

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It was just a passing thought I had, so wanted input. Thanks. Yes, Judas never went to Jesus, he was being killed at the time, and obviously didn't have the whole truth in his soul. He didn't understand the Christ would raise from the dead.