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Uh....I don't seek to be justified in Christ. So, wrong again, Paul's message does not apply to me.

Once again, you FAIL to comprehend what is already accomplish is not something "hoped for".

Really? So someone who seeks to be justified in Christ isn't born again in your view?

I'm sorry, I can no longer take you seriously( not that I previously did that much I'm afraid)
 
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Answer, answer the questions. Oh right you CAN'T! LOL
Take some advice. Leave these kind of websites until you can come up with a coherent theological doctrine, that doesn't oppose huge swathes of scripture. You need to do an awful lot of studying. And DONT rely on your little grey cells to learn
 
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Nope MY WORDS are consistent.

Things you speak for me, are FALSE.

You believe a person can only be born again if they do not commit sin.

I never said such nonsense. And you can not QUOTE me saying such nonsense.

Again - more FALSE testimony from you.


Therefore you believe you must faultlessly observe the law to be righteous/ justified before God.

I never said such nonsense. And you can not QUOTE me saying such nonsense.

Again - more FALSE testimony from you.
 
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Uh....I don't seek to be justified in Christ. So, wrong again, Paul's message does not apply to me.

Once again, you FAIL to comprehend what is already accomplish is not something "hoped for".

Who do you seek to be justified in then? Or are you your own justification before a 100% Holy and perfect God?

How does Paul's message not apply to you? You are down a deep rabbit hole.
 
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Even istcenturylady produces posts of yours to state you believe what you claim never to have stated. We can't all be wrong.
I'm afraid this is a result if you being in a hopeless mess
 
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Who do you seek to be justified in then? Or are you your own justification before a 100% Holy and perfect God?

How does Paul's message not apply to you? You are down a deep rabbit hole.
I really think I will have to put you back on ignore. I'm struggling to recall anyone I have chatted to in nine years on these websites who makes such ridiculous comments as you. You have to do it if course, as you don't understand Pauls message. So it's just backtracking all the time and putting up ridiculous posts to try and evade the mess you are in.
I will bid you gooday
 
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Even istcenturylady produces posts of yours to state you believe what you claim never to have stated.

What do you mean "even". Even with who....certainly not you....so who? lol
 
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Take some advice. Leave these kind of websites until you can come up with a coherent theological doctrine, that doesn't oppose huge swathes of scripture. You need to do an awful lot of studying. And DONT rely on your little grey cells to learn

Thanks for letting us know you CAN'T answer the questions.
No problem, I didn't expect you could.

Oh, BTW, you forgot to present your forum police credentials before pretending you have some kind of authority to tell me what to do!

Now please hurry up and put me on ignore.
 
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Who do you seek to be justified in then? Or are you your own justification before a 100% Holy and perfect God?

How does Paul's message not apply to you? You are down a deep rabbit hole.

Pay attention to what is actually being said and by whom!

I don't do the JUSTIFYING....CHRIST DOES!
I don't SEEK to BECOME JUSTIFIED....I ALREADY AM JUSTIFIED!
If scripture REQUIRES something of you....and YOU do it....it is ACCOMPLISHED.

Do you think Jesus must keep DYING over and over and over?
Do you think Jesus must keep GIVING His BLOOD over and over and over?

I don't. It's already ACCOMPLISHED!

So why when a person ACCOMPLISHES what is REQUIRED would you believe it must be repeated over and over and over?

WHY would you think a scripture still APPLIES TO YOU, IF you already accomplished that requirement?

Another in on this conversation is a busy body, making claims for me, that I do not make for myself!

I have ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED what is required to become SAVED, BORN AGAIN, JUSTIFIED, SANCTIFIED, KEPT WITH CHRIST FOREVER ~ so NOW what applies to me IS: I am born of God.

So NOW the scripture that applies to me is:

1John.3
  1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1John.5
  1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
  2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
  3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
IF YOU have accomplished what is required for you to be "born of God"....good for you.
Then as well, those scriptures would apply to you.

Apparently "someone" thinks he still sins....and he never claims to be born of God....so I have no reason to believe he is.

Therefore him speaking for me, is pure nonsense, and his pretending he has some superduper advice for me is laughable, and his accusations are pure nonsense.

You want to know MY CLAIMS, read my words. I am quite capable of speaking for myself. I know my standing with the Lord, and WHY.

God Bless,
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That is great, that applies to me as well. I am not born under the Law, I am born under Grace. Sin is no longer imputed to me.

Not only do I fall under that, but I also fall under...
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

With both of those views, this is how I can be this as well...I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In Christ
Daniel
 
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I hope you cut and pasted that
And didn't type it over and over.

I don't think though, to be fair that he ever said he was perfect or thought he could be.
 
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Your first sentence said 'you DO NOT seek to be justified by Christ'.

How else should I read your words then? Is it in code?

You were pretty plain with your words. So don't come back now and ask where it came from. You wrote it.

You make statements like that and you don't think it's going to catch my eye.
 
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I hope you cut and pasted that
And didn't type it over and over.

I don't think though, to be fair that he ever said he was perfect or thought he could be.

Actually since he likes to post the same thing over and over and ask the same questions over and over, I figured he would like the same treatment. I thought doing that on all one page would be more convenient then spreading it out over numerous posts.
 
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I am well aware of what I write, so no need to be accusatory.
And since your post regarding that; Even though the answer should be obvious, for one such as my self who has claimed to be born again; I have told you why. post # 2238

God Bless,
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You know, even Jason and istcenturylady attempt better responses than you can muster up.

And when you aren't trying to deliberately pull somebody's chain, you can convey some sense when you talk about the Spirit. Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning. You know that, so say it.
 
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And when you aren't trying to deliberately pull somebody's chain, you can convey some sense when you talk about the Spirit. Developing the fruit of the Spirit is the key to not sinning. You know that, so say it.
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I hope you cut and pasted that
And didn't type it over and over.

I don't think though, to be fair that he ever said he was perfect or thought he could be.
He knew I didn't say I was perfect. However, as he could not respond to the point made, that was his way of deflecting from it.
Plus he keeps backtracking and saying he didn't state what people believe he has stated.
Hence I put him on ignore, serious debate is rendered impossible
 
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A fruit is also a gift, and many have very different gifts, some get self-control and obedience, others, not so much, but may get other gifts or fruits in other areas of strengths/weaknesses or deficiencies...

But, I do agree that developing the fruits of the spirit can help with many things, but each will have their own individual gifts or strengths and weaknesses, and some will get the fruits or gifts of self-control and obedience, some not as much, but will have other strengths...

God Bless!
 
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