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The Donation of Constantine!

Metanoia02

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No interest?
Too revealing?

No I don't see the use of discussing motives of an unknown forger 1200 years ago. Who was it, probably someone in the Church who thought they needed some documentation to back up a claim. The fact is that the the papal office existed before the 8th century and its authority was already accepted and exercised. When 'proof" was most need, this document was never used. When the Papal lands of Italy were given to the Pope by Pepin the Short, no mention of this document or claim was every mentioned. When the Pope requested that Pepin rescue Rome from the Lombards he never mentioned the Donation as authority. This would have been the opportune time to use thos claim if indeed the Pope was involved with this forgery.

The claim most anti-Catholics use this documentis that the Papal authority was some how a bog lie using this document. You would have to ignore the totality of history and writings of the ECF's up to that point to believe such a thing. It never stopped anyone before so do with it as you will.
 
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And that wasa a pretty pithy comment for not wanting to duscuss it!

Why would someone in the church think they needed this back up, if all was already on the "up & up"? Why didn't The Church take the lead in denouncing it on first sight? That would've been the right thing to do, don't you agree?

I'm thinkin' it might appear to be consistent with an already existing pattern of "bogus claims of authority" - according to "Revisionists" of course! lol
Heaven knows they look on the "totality of history" with a determinedly critical eye we couldn't expect from a "company man", eh?

I would expect more self-policing from an institution with the pedigree they claim, especialy in respect to a forgery of such magnitude.
 
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You are making the assumption they knew it was a forgery. There is no proof that they knowingly perpetuated the forgery. There was no reason to suspect it was since it was consistent with thier view of the papacy.
 
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So if they didn't recognize it as a forgery, and yet it was their authority being at issue, the obvious next question is why not?
Especialy when it wasn't needed & not used, as you say. That would've made it's appearance even more curious, even if it appeared to be in agreement with the agenda, like a third thumb, it should've stood out.

You offer as a possible reason, oversight in matters that appear agreeable to the established agenda.
Some see that as the basic modus operandi, agenda trumps legitamacy.

I think another reason they didn't have reason to suspect forgery, aside from it fitting their papal ambitions, was their lack of scholarship.
 
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Pretty good research, but why didn't you let your readers know that it was the Catholic Church which discovered and reported this?
 
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welllll.......I'm kinda enamored of St. Constantine myself and live not too far from a parish where his mother, St. Helena is honored. I think it awful that the revisionists have tried to take away the Donation of St. Constantine from current trends in history. Shame on them! It makes me wonder whose history are they trying to re-write? Some folks even try to challenge the actual horrors of WWII! Oh dear!

It think it terrible to tell lies, especially if you're entrusted with other people's children in the teaching professions. I got lucky. I had some honest professors when I got my college history lessons.

Peace and all good,

Gail
 
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Thank you BeranBeacon! I beautiful example of what I mean by revisionisms. I really fine example. Almost convincing enough to seem credible. Usually when I see such stuff I automatically know that 40% of what I may be veiwing may be true and the rest is a counter to world views of history. Historians know really well which set of facts are real and which aren't. No fool to fool better than an old fool! Beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

Peace and all good,

Gail

P.S. Anyone got any land they'd like to donate? LOL!
 
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