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The Decline of Christianity in the West

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BornAgainBrian

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Personally I see it as similar to the Judges cycle. There was a similar falling away about a hundred years ago, though not to this extreme. I have no doubt we're going to be shaken back into shape. There are still plenty of faithful people God can use.

There is a positive side. When following God's instruction is the standard for all, regardless of faith, then it is much harder to get real conversions. The greatest boom in Christianity was a time not when the laws and society reflected Christ's teachings but when they were mortally hostile. People who converted under that environment were all in and totally on fire.
 
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Interesting point of view. The book of Revelation doesn't really describe a revival in the last days, however. It seems to portray a society mortally antagonistic to God.
 
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...it's called the Falling Away; and although the apostasy from Christianity is picking up pace as we move through time, it has already been going on for a long while... (i.e. Renaissance, Enlightenment, Post-Modern Angst)
 
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...it's called the Falling Away; and although the apostasy from Christianity is picking up pace as we move through time, it has already been going on for a long while... (i.e. Renaissance, Enlightenment, Post-Modern Angst)

OK - why has there been such a great falling away?
 
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Interesting point of view. The book of Revelation doesn't really describe a revival in the last days, however. It seems to portray a society mortally antagonistic to God.

This is true, but I am not convinced we're at the point described in that book
 
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I don't think it's a matter of Christians not believing the bible, but rather them not believing the fundamentalist literalist interpretation of the bible, which was itself a rather recent and very American phenomenon. This is a positive step in my view.

As for those outside of the church, look to the culture. Sex and greed and pushed as the very keys to the good life. Sex, drugs, money, and power are the new American values. For many people growing up today this is really all they know. Little do they know that following that path leads to all kinds of problems and sorrow.

So naturally, Christianity, which calls for fidelity, sobriety, contentedness and charity and humility, is not going to be popular.
 
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OK - why has there been such a great falling away?

A switching of ideologies, starting among the elites and trickling...nay, now rushing like an avalanche...upon the masses of the West (and East)...

Today's arching Zeitgeist isn't driven so much by an actual increase in knowledge as it is by a Promethean overreaching...and overconfidence.
 
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I see. So we have to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are real and literal and which parts are not. How do we decide?


This has been the way things have been since time immemorial. And God has done nothing to stop it.

So naturally, Christianity, which calls for fidelity, sobriety, contentedness and charity and humility, is not going to be popular.

There's more here, though. The Bible is viewed as fundamentally false - the question is why.
 
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People in the West now no longer believe the Bible.

Speak for yourself.


This is true of the general public and also true of modern Christianity where there seems to be a great loss of faith in regards to the trustworthiness of the Scriptures. Why do you believe this is the case?

At the beginning of the twentieth century science was gaining in prestige, and that growing prestige lead other people to think, "We'll have some of that." So pseudo sciences like sociology began to emerge.

Unfortunately, the wish to be fashionably "scientific" began to infect theologians as well, and they lost confidence in their own discipline. The only "science" readily available to them was literary criticism, and so theology became largely an exercise in the literary criticism of the Bible, with the latter's status as divine revelation being lost sight of.

An unfortunate consequence of that was a gross over reaction known as fundamentalism. Eventually, however, there will be a more measured call for a return to a theology which is centred upon God's revelation of himself. The catalyst for that will be a tiredness with the anaemic nature of the alternative.
 
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I don't believe that there is a loss of belief in the Bible, but, like ALoveDivine, I believe that there is a departure from the fundamental-conservative interpretation of the Bible.

Alot of Christians are IMO tired of the corporate pastor-led Sunday-service church model.
 
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I believe it is a total misrepresentation of the facts. To even state that "people in the west do this or that" is totally unsupported. Aren't Christians people? Don't many Christians reside in the west? Another argument totally misrepresented.
 
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In some of the West, that's true. In other parts, it's not. And of course, it's not just recently that the largest church in the West has insisted that the Bible wasn't completely trustworthy but that we have to also consider man's traditions to be divine revelation.
 
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People in the West now no longer believe the Bible.
I suspect that you actually meant to make a statistical statement like:
"In the West there are now less people who believe in the Bible than there were X years ago."? Because as it reads, your statement is obviously inaccurate.
So what is the time you are comparing "now" to?
This is true of the general public and also true of modern Christianity where there seems to be a great loss of faith in regards to the trustworthiness of the Scriptures.
Can we become a little more precise, please?
What do you mean by "faith in regards to the trustworthiness", exactly? 1. Are you talking about the belief that the bible is an inerrant document of history and facts? Or about something else?
2. What are the times you compare "now" to?
3. Do you have figures substantiating your premise?

Personally, in my 57 years, I don´t recall having met a single person in real life who believed the bible to be "trustworthy" as a document that´s to be taken literally. That´s purely anecdotal, though - so I´d be interested in reliable statistics.
Why do you believe this is the case?
The most self-suggesting explanation for a statistical decline (provided there is such) of people who believe the bible to be taken literally would be that it clashes with established facts. And/or that in the era of information, facts are easier accessible to everyone than they used to be in earlier times.
 
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Simple.

People acquiring knowledge that is compelling enough for them to conclude, at least parts of the bible are not true.

100 years ago, many fewer people (and likely very few religious people) agreed with evolution. Since that time, people who are religious have had to adapt their beliefs, to accept the compelling evidence and now the vast majority of religious people do accept evolution, because they have acquired knowledge, that they are not able to deny.

Christianity has been declining in virtually all parts of the world except third world countries and this will likely continue, as people acquire further knowledge of the world we live in. Will Christianity go away completely? I don't see that happening for a long long time, as people will simply adjust their beliefs, to accommodate knowledge they can not deny any longer.
 
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I don't have it at my fingertips, but I have seen surveys that indicate that 100% of the members in some denominations believe the Bible to be totally accurate; and even those who, in other denominations, believe that there are some mistranslations in certain non-critical areas, think that the Bible is nevertheless "trustworthy" for all essential purposes.
 
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I didn´t mean to question that there are such people(there are quite a few of them here at CF, after all).
The fact, however, that I haven´t met anyone of that sort in real life - not 50 years ago, not now - doesn´t allow me to observe an increase or decrease. For that, I would need reliable statistics.
 
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I have met a few who claim the bible is to be taken literally and is 100% accurate.

These are typically your "black and white" thinkers and or fundamentalists, who if one piece of their book is deemed inaccurate, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. So, they protect it and attack any evidence that may question any portion of their book.

These are the folks who are dug in so deep and so invested in a literal interpretation, they have built up potent defense mechanisms to protect the same.
 
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Christianity has been declining in virtually all parts of the world except third world countries and this will likely continue, as people acquire further knowledge of the world we live in.

A classic case of a western atheist thinking that his own backyard is the whole world:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/HC02Ae03.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

China, let us not forget, accounts for a third of the world's population, and is industrialising at break neck speed.
 
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