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To indicate that there are "SOME truth" in all religions is a moot point. What you are hanging your hat on is a common "ethical" theme you've identified in all religions. But as I indicated earlier, the ethics of any religion is inextricably tied to its theology. If their theology is flawed from a biblical perspective, their ethics are really of no value; because they are "motivated by, and grounded in, fundamentally different views of the nature of reality. Religion cannot be reduced simply to ethics, for religion makes claims about the ultimate nature of reality (metaphysics), to which their ethics appeal for justification."
Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:35-40)
There are three great duties which, as a Mason, you are charged to inculcate—to God, to your neighbor and to yourself. To God, in never mentioning His name but with that reverential awe which is due from a creature to his Creator, to implore His aid in all your laudable undertakings, and esteem Him as the chief good. To your neighbor, in acting upon the square, and doing unto him as you wish he should do unto you. And to yourself, in avoiding all irregularity and intemperance, which may impair your faculties, or debase the dignity of your profession. A zealous attachment to these duties will insure public and private esteem.
We can agree that some common ground with other religions can be found when it comes to secondary issues, like the ethics of the "Golden Rule."
"For as soon as [the notion of sameness] moves beyond vague generalities––'every religion has some version of the Golden Rule'––it founders on the fact that the religions differ in what they consider essential and nonnegotiable."
this conversation has ended.
You've completely forgotten the starting point of this discussion
No I did not, since it was me who started the point of discussion in the first place; which is the fact that Freemasonry is a spiritual brotherhood. Anyone can go back to our last 3 or 4 posts and see that is precisely what I brought up at the time. And your immediate response to that point, ever since, has been your futile attempt to refute that fact with the principle of the "Golden Rule," which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Freemasonry being spirtual brotherhood of men united from all religions
Let's try a REAL analogy then, to the Boy Scouts. They follow the principles of Masonry in quite a number of respects, and in a remarkable parallel as well: no particular religion required of members--despite emphasis upon belief in God; no particular book defined as the book of their religious faith; all join together in prayer to "God"; a leader who is "master" (Scoutmaster), etc. etc.
And do you still have in your organization a member who has not only served as Scoutmaster, but who is a member of a church denomination which is a staunch supporter of scouting? How do you reconcile that, when the principles are so remarkably similar, even identical in some cases? And why is it you do not raise such railing accusations against scouting, since as an organization which has as its membership boys at the youngest and most formative age, it has such potential to inculcate those principles in the minds of those not yet at an age where they have the ability of discernment of such things?
Somehow all the railing against Freemasonry seems hollow, when you fail to apply the same accusations when another organization is shown to have adopted the same principles.
Wayne said:Let's try a REAL analogy then, to the Boy Scouts. They follow the principles of Masonry in quite a number of respects, and in a remarkable parallel as well: no particular religion required of members--despite emphasis upon belief in God; no particular book defined as the book of their religious faith; all join together in prayer to "God"; a leader who is "master" (Scoutmaster), etc. etc.
And do you still have in your organization a member who has not only served as Scoutmaster, but who is a member of a church denomination which is a staunch supporter of scouting? How do you reconcile that, when the principles are so remarkably similar, even identical in some cases? And why is it you do not raise such railing accusations against scouting, since as an organization which has as its membership boys at the youngest and most formative age, it has such potential to inculcate those principles in the minds of those not yet at an age where they have the ability of discernment of such things?
Somehow all the railing against Freemasonry seems hollow, when you fail to apply the same accusations when another organization is shown to have adopted the same principles.
Funny thing, the way you seem to disappear every time that subject comes up--almost like it was intentional.
If you don't have an answer for the question, you could always say "I don't have an answer" or "no comment" or something. No need for the theatrical dodges, we know what they mean anyway.No, the funny thing is, in your senility you seem to have forgotten that I've addressed this issue a thousand times over the many years we've been debating Freemasonry. You know my position on the Scouts, and if you can't remember what it is, then search your archives, since you claim to save every single thing I have ever posted.
And if you didn't save it, too bad. Like the title of this thread reads, I am here to discuss the DANGERS OF FREEMASONRY, not the Boy Scouts!
I think Rev. Wayne is what they call the outer ring, these folks have no clue as to what is going on in the inner circle. This is why you see him defend his masonic ties to the hilt!, all he ever witnesses is the solidarity of brotherhood, raising funds for the wonderful institutions such as shriners hospitals for children, and a host of many other well documented charities. This is why the Inner circle loves guys like Rev. Wayne and other Christians such as Ghendricks63 they are completely deceived by the outer circle and refuse to accept the reality and truth that an inner circle exist. These in the outer circle will never rise up the ladder to positions of higher knowledge and enlightenment, because the inner circle knows who that at the top of this organization, and the final secret revealed, if you were to climb the ladder of masonry is Lucifer is the light, but they know the outer circle would never worship satan so they (the outer circle)are used simply to hide behind. This is the dark truth behind masonry, neither one of these guys will understand it because they can't fathem the deception
I think Rev. Wayne is what they call the outer ring, these folks have no clue as to what is going on in the inner circle. This is why you see him defend his masonic ties to the hilt!, all he ever witnesses is the solidarity of brotherhood, raising funds for the wonderful institutions such as shriners hospitals for children, and a host of many other well documented charities. This is why the Inner circle loves guys like Rev. Wayne and other Christians such as Ghendricks63 they are completely deceived by the outer circle and refuse to accept the reality and truth that an inner circle exist. These in the outer circle will never rise up the ladder to positions of higher knowledge and enlightenment, because the inner circle knows who that at the top of this organization, and the final secret revealed, if you were to climb the ladder of masonry is Lucifer is the light, but they know the outer circle would never worship satan so they (the outer circle)are used simply to hide behind. This is the dark truth behind masonry, neither one of these guys will understand it because they can't fathem the deception
The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819)
The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages.
"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." (Ibid., p. 105)
"So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray."
Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it. So God Himself incapacitates many men, by color-blindness, to distinguish colors, and leads the masses away from the highest Truth, giving them the power to attain only so much of it as it is profitable to them to know. Every age has had a religion suited to its capacity.
The Teachers, even of Christianity, are, in general, the most ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach. There is no book of which so little is known as the Bible. To most who read it, it is as incomprehensible as the Sohar.
So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray. There is no sight under the sun more pitiful and ludicrous at once, than the spectacle of the Prestons and the Webbs, not to mention the later incarnations of Dullness and Commonplace, undertaking to "explain" the old symbols of Masonry, and adding to and "improving" them, or inventing new ones.
"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August [defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur'] fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum [defined as 'a secret, a mystery']." [Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433]
Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity, an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect. Before it is possible to intelligently discuss the origin of the craft, it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of free and accepted men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most august fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcanum arcanorum. Those Brethren who have essayed to write the history of their Craft have not included in their disquisitions the story of that truly secret inner society which is to the body Freemasonic what the heart is to the body human. In each generation only a few are accepted into the inner sanctuary of the work, but these are veritable princes of truth, and their sainted names shall be remembered in future age together with the seers and prophets of the elder world. Though the great initiate-philosophers of Freemasonry can be counted upon one's fingers, yet their power is not to be measured by the achievements of ordinary men. They are dwellers upon the threshold of the innermost, masters of that secret doctrine which forms the invisible foundation of every great theological and rational institution.
To verify this fact even further, we encourage you to go to the publishing and distribution house of Invisible Freemasonry, Kessinger's Freemasonry and Occult Publishing; Kessinger's publishes all the old, formerly very secret Masonic books of the Invisible Society.
we encourage you to peruse the subjects they have listed at the very bottom of their Home Page, noting the extremely Satanic, anti-Christian subjects of which the Invisible Fraternity is comprised! We have noted a few of these subjects below as Kessinger's has listed them
Good postAgain this latest show of masons proving Masonry is deceptive is just a tip of the iceberg...the lies that the masonic lodge has structured into the mind of the mason clearly shows the great lengths a mason will do to hide or conceal his views or identity here in this forum or any other forum where unsuspecting chirstians may engage in converstaitons...
The goal of the Mason is to blend into the christian flock...and when the mason see's an oppurtunity to express his view he will either one allow the rest of the forum users to recognize his status as a mason or two he would rather create the illusion he is not a mason and simply offers a neutral outllook on the discussion... this usually done to try to make a masonic lie hold some type of half truth or to defend a fellow mason's point of view that does not conform to the truth of Christ JESUS....
However those who know the tactics of this dark craft being practiced in plain view are able to see through their mascarade and expose them for their cowardly acts that causes them to interject opinions with hidden motives..
This is exactly the Danger of Masonry I am referring too...the deception envolved with the members of masonry is that of a spiritual cancer to christianity....especially the men who are compromised by becoming servants of an organization that is not of the God of the Holy Bible....
Cowards need not reply...
Good post
I have said it several times before and I will say it again. I AM NOT A MASON!! The topic of the thread intrigued me since I have little background in the masons beyond hearing the usual rumors and urban legends. I have learned a lot thus far and my own research has supplemented and confirmed what Rev Wayne has been saying.
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