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100% absolutely would not blind anybody.Hi @SkyWriting
Soooooo, because the Scriptures say that Jesus is the light of the world, you gather from that that he wouldn't blind someone temporarily for his purposes?
OK.
God bless,
Ted
100% absolutely would not blind anybody.
It would not even be possible to go against His nature and blind a person. For any reason.
Lets consider Jesus harming anyone, in any way, for any reason at all. Or even causing discomfort. Use your thinking cap.
If 20 passages annihilating the concept don't do it for you...then guess what?
Lets see what I left out:
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Colossians 1:12-14
Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 6:11-12
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 5:8
For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
John 8:12-20
Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” So the Pharisees said to him, “You are bearing witness about yourself; your testimony is not true.” Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness about myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me.
John 1:7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him.
John 1:1-51
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ...
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Isaiah 48:11
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Blinder of infidels)
Psalm 27:1
Of David. The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
WOW! Excellent sleuthing!Deut 28
27 “The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, the festering rash, and with scabies, from which you cannot be healed. 28 The Lord will strike you with insanity, blindness, and with confusion of mind; 29 and you will be groping about at noon, just as a person who is blind gropes in the darkness, and you will not be successful in your ways; but you will only be oppressed and robbed all the time, with no one to save you.
This seems to have been an argument during Paul’s life. His response was that Christ appeared to him, so he actually had been in his presence, and was personally commissioned by him.He was never in the presence of Jesus.
I consider that important in how any Christian should act and apply what they know.
This leaves him unqualified for some things. Paul is not Jesus.
Lets consider Jesus harming anyone, in any way, for any reason at all. Or even causing discomfort. Use your thinking cap.
FYI, as far as I know this isn’t a common liberal position.Hi @SkyWriting
I'm curious why you would think that Jesus temporarily blinding someone to serve a purpose would be 'harming' anyone. He didn't ruin the man. He restored his sight without any harm whatsoever befalling Saul. Saul even had companions with him at the time to help him through the temporary condition. But, I see that you've certainly convinced yourself that your position is the truth and that's obviously all that matters to you. That's perfectly OK with me. There are a lot of 'christians' that don't agree with me and a lot of 'christians' that I don't agree with. You are one of the latter.
You and I have a different understanding of the purpose and veracity of the Scriptures.
I did just want to add my apologies. I got onto this thread by following a link under the 'New Threads' column and didn't notice until now that I was in the 'liberal' christian beliefs section. I don't belong here. Please accept my apologies.
God bless,
Ted
@hedrickFYI, as far as I know this isn’t a common liberal position.
Hi @SkyWriting
I'm curious why you would think that Jesus temporarily blinding someone to serve a purpose would be 'harming' anyone. He didn't ruin the man. He restored his sight without any harm whatsoever befalling Saul. Saul even had companions with him at the time to help him through the temporary condition. But, I see that you've certainly convinced yourself that your position is the truth and that's obviously all that matters to you. That's perfectly OK with me. There are a lot of 'christians' that don't agree with me and a lot of 'christians' that I don't agree with. You are one of the latter.
You and I have a different understanding of the purpose and veracity of the Scriptures.
I did just want to add my apologies. I got onto this thread by following a link under the 'New Threads' column and didn't notice until now that I was in the 'liberal' christian beliefs section. I don't belong here. Please accept my apologies.
God bless,
Ted
Hi @SkyWriting
I'm curious why you would think that Jesus temporarily blinding someone to serve a purpose would be 'harming' anyone.
This seems to have been an argument during Paul’s life. His response was that Christ appeared to him, so he actually had been in his presence, and was personally commissioned by him.
Hi @SkyWriting
I'm curious why you would think that Jesus temporarily blinding someone to serve a purpose...
WOW! Excellent sleuthing!
I'm not sure we can apply it to Pauls conversion ...but good work!
Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 28 - King James Version
Yes. While Paul says a lot that in some abstract sense are equivalent to what Jesus says, they come from a different context. And he almost never cites actual teaching or actions by Jesus, except his death snd resurrection.I was referring to learning from Jesus in action and learning his teachings through demonstration. Having a dream about Jesus would not qualify as valuable except for maybe a police lineup.
It's astounding to me that the person who claims to know how Christians should behave is the one person who had no training whatsoever by Jesus.
If it did it would be a common practice for God.
Hi @SkyWritingHow many seas has God parted for His purpose of saving His people? How many nights have all the firstborn of every family been killed in the night in an entire city for His purpose of showing His glory to His people? How many children have been born without the aid of human sperm for God to accomplish His purpose? Really? You're going to go with anything that God or Jesus does for their purpose is going to be a common practice? Can you feed me some web stories about how much water has been turned into wine within moments? Again I apologize for crashing this thread as one who doesn't subscribe to the theology espoused in these threads, but I really have a hard time swallowing the cow dung tales that are being told about the God I love and the veracity of His Scriptures.I really would appreciate your answering the questions I've put to you about the commonness of the the things that God/Jesus does to serve their purposes.God bless,Ted
God is not capable of violating the known laws of physics because He designed them that way. But there is some evidence that reality can be changed by the intent of the observer. One explanation that's easier to swallow, God is the supreme master of changing people perceptions of reality.Hi @SkyWriting
Can you feed me some web stories about how much water has been turned into wine within moments?
Hi @SkyWriting
Soooooo, because the Scriptures say that Jesus is the light of the world, you gather from that that he wouldn't blind someone temporarily for his purposes?
You acknowledge the significance of this passage yet continue to claim that God doesn't do what it clearly says.
Deut 28
27 “The Lord will strike you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, the festering rash, and with scabies, from which you cannot be healed. 28 The Lord will strike you with insanity, blindness, and with confusion of mind; 29 and you will be groping about at noon, just as a person who is blind gropes in the darkness, and you will not be successful in your ways; but you will only be oppressed and robbed all the time, with no one to save you.
100% absolutely would not blind anybody.
It would not even be possible to go against His nature and blind a person. For any reason.
Lets consider Jesus harming anyone, in any way, for any reason at all. Or even causing discomfort. Use your thinking cap.
You are not quoting the statement you are challenging for... some...reason.
I'm guessing because you have changed my statement.
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