Oh come on now, I said poor Adam in jest! Everyone dumps on Adam all the sin of the world.
I wouldn't sin if Adam hadn't sinned....buwahaha
I sin as Adam sinned, not because he sinned, because I am a sinner.
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Oh come on now, I said poor Adam in jest! Everyone dumps on Adam all the sin of the world.Then you are not accepting God's Word which says we all sin due to the sin of one man. To deny God's Word in your heart will have consequences.
Adam was rich in himself. If you consider him poor, then how can you be delivered from his rich self life that you have now too?
All the sin of the world emanates from Adam. We don't dump on him, but just state a fact.Oh come on now, I said poor Adam in jest! Everyone dumps on Adam all the sin of the world.
Christians don't say you wouldn't sin if Adam hadn't sinned, for Adam had not eaten of the tree of life.I wouldn't sin if Adam hadn't sinned....buwahaha
You sin as Adam sinned, because he sinned, for all that is born of the flesh is flesh and all flesh sins.I sin as Adam sinned, not because he sinned, because I am a sinner.
I am not a sinner because of me?All the sin of the world emanates from Adam. We don't dump on him, but just state a fact.
Christians don't say you wouldn't sin if Adam hadn't sinned, for Adam had not eaten of the tree of life.
You sin as Adam sinned, because he sinned, for all that is born of the flesh is flesh and all flesh sins.
So you are a sinner. You are not a sinner because of you, but because you are born of the flesh.
"You are not a sinner because of you, but because you are born of the flesh". You weren't a sinner because of something you did. You are a sinner because you were born that way, so it is not of you that caused you to be this way.I am not a sinner because of me?
Thank you Lord Jesus that you don't blame me for being a sinner, but provide me a salvation from sin: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" (John 3.17).Now, try to work that into a prayer of repentence.
You did not cause you to be born into sin. You are not Adam.I am exactly a sinner because of me.
You don't blame me for being a sinner?"You are not a sinner because of you, but because you are born of the flesh". You weren't a sinner because of something you did. You are a sinner because you were born that way, so it is not of you that caused you to be this way.
Thank you Lord Jesus that you don't blame me for being a sinner, but provide me a salvation from sin: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" (John 3.17).
You did not cause you to be born into sin. You are not Adam.
Thankyou Lord for not blaming this soul for being born into sin since he is not the cause of being born into sin (Adam was the cause of this), but he is responsible for his sin to receive the cross and be under the precious blood. And that you give us the strength in our spirit to refuse such a false accusation from the evil spirit is by your grace alone! Amen.You don't blame me for being a sinner?
Hardly a prayer of repentence.
It is because you can not overcome your flesh you were born into that you love sin.I have sinned not because I couldn't overcome my flesh, but because I have loved sin more then you God.
The reason for this is because you were first born into sin, but praise God there is a salvation.I am a sinner because I sought from my youth to sin, I learned how to sin, I worked hard to sin and didn't seek God but instead to fulfill every whim of my wicked heart.
You love sin because you were born into sin. If you were not born into sin you may have never loved sin. If Adam had eaten of the tree of life and not the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you would never have sinned, nor have been born into sin.I loved sin, that is why I sinned. I corrupted my flesh and trained it to love sin. I was like a dog who slobbered at the ringing of a bell and turned to his own vomit.
The heart of sin remains from Satan the tempter to Adam's fall, and thus, all men are born into sin. You are not the cause of your own sin, you were born that way.Now we are getting at the heart of sin.
This thread started out with one correct view, then another was introduced that did not agree with God's Word. The correct view was that God does not blame us for being born into sin, since we are not the cause of being born into sin. This cause was Adam's. The incorrect view is to teach that God blames man for being born into sin even though man did not conceive himself.(James 2:10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
This thread started out with TWO Points of View, BOTH OF WHICH ARE WRONG!
The WORD OF GOD, says that IF YOU CANNOT KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, you are Guilty OF VIOLATION THE WHOLE LAW.....!
LET THE WORD = Define SIN, and Not Some Religion!
Thanks, Roger459
What is the fable? The fable is that God blames man for being born. To accuse God of this is a sin, and praise the Lord, God will judge this accusation against Him since it would be unrighteous of God not to do so. If a person will never repent of this sin, all he can do is wait for Great White Throne.(Ezekiel 2:7) And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.
(2Timothy 4:1-to-4) I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
(2Ti 4:2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
(2Ti 4:3)For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2Ti 4:4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Thanks, Roger459
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[FONT="]Dont you see youre predicament? [/FONT]Thankyou Lord for not blaming this soul for being born into sin since he is not the cause of being born into sin (Adam was the cause of this), but he is responsible for his sin to receive the cross and be under the precious blood. And that you give us the strength in our spirit to refuse such a false accusation from the evil spirit is by your grace alone! Amen.
It is because you can not overcome your flesh you were born into that you love sin.
The reason for this is because you were first born into sin, but praise God there is a salvation.
You love sin because you were born into sin. If you were not born into sin you may have never loved sin. If Adam had eaten of the tree of life and not the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you would never have sinned, nor have been born into sin.
Your flesh was corrupted not because of you, but because you were born into sin. You were a sinner at birth. All that is born of the flesh is flesh: flesh is sin of the body and self of the soul. May you be saved from that slobberingness.
The heart of sin remains from Satan the tempter to Adam's fall, and thus, all men are born into sin. You are not the cause of your own sin, you were born that way.
Let us praise the Lord for this discernment!
The concept of Original Sin in the East and West.
In regards to Original Sin, the concept differs form the Roman Catholic Churches and the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches.
What is the purpose (purpose meaning where did it come from) of guilt in the RC concept of Original Sin? How is that guilt passed on in Original Sin? Is the concept in the RC that a person inherits both sin and guilt of Adam? Are the guilt and sin seen as 2 separate entities or one unit? If there is a separation between the guilt and sin at what point is the separation made? How does this come into effect in regards to story of the putting the blood of the lamb on the door posts?
In the EO Church which Church Father(s) distinguished the difference between the RC and EO view of Original Sin? What was distinguishable between the Churches and at what in history did this difference come into affect? How does this come into effect in regards to story of the putting the blood of the lamb on the door posts?
If I recall, the guilt concept began with St Augustines writings. But that may have been some of the ones he recanted later.
This is true. In the context of the West, however, it really got turbocharged with Aquinas via Anslem.
You'd have to clarify on that. As many times the fathers writings are taken to extremes not meant in their original intent.
Yes. There are sinners who reject God's Word, but by the Holy Spirit my brothers and sisters in Christ stand firm.Dont you see youre predicament?
The reason you repent is because the human race is responsible for its choices it makes. The human race began with Adam and so all men and women are born into sin which causes us to sin. We don't repent of being born into sin, but of sinning. You don't have to repent for Adam's sin, for he is responsible for his own sin. You do have to repent though for not accepting salvation from sin that you commit. It's a beautiful redemptive design.seanHayden said:If youre sinful nature is not youre fault, then why repent?
Your sinful nature is now your own, but not because you made it, but because you are given it when you were physically born. That is not your fault you were born, it is your fault if you don't receive salvation, because remember, you have a spirit of God-consciousness and are without excuse for not receiving God's love.More importantly, if youre sinful nature is not youre fault, how can you repent?
He separates the inequity of one person from another by requiring each person to receive the salvation. Therefore, Adam's sin causing you to be born into sin, you are not blamed for being born into sin by Adam, only in not receiving salvation.God is Justice; can He not separate the inequity of one person from that of another?
Cain was told by God that he needs to give right offering to be saved. Just as Adam was disobedient, so was Cain. They both chose hell of their own accord. Cain was never blamed for being born of his father; he is to be judged for refusing salvation which is why he murdered.I think that what God told Cain is absolutely true, and wasnt Cain the son of Adam?
No. God never said he could master it, for only God has the power to provide deliverance; thus, Cain was suppose to give right offering (free-will offering), but refused to. Abel gave right offering.Didnt God tell Cain, although sin is waiting for you, you can master it?
Yes, God told Cain that he was a sinner because his father is a sinner, so that is why God said He needed a right offering, because all that is born of the flesh is flesh.God didnt tell Cain, you are a sinner because your father sinned and therefore you are destined to sin; no, He told Cain, although sin is an option and you maybe tempted by it, you can master it!
God never destroyed the world at Noah's flood; it was a local flood. In Genesis 1:2 though He did flood the whole world because of the sin of the inhabitants of Earth's earliest ages.Also after the flood, God doesnt say He wont destroy the world again because people are born to sin. He says that people desire sin even from their youth, meaning that although they could choose not to sin, they are weak and choose to sin.
The flesh is the sin of the body and the self of the soul in its selfishness. If you are born this way, then you cannot avoid sinning, and this is proven by the fact that not a single person in human history has not sinned. No exceptions!The flesh doesnt make you sin. This is why we repent, because although we can master sin, we are weak or dont love God, and choose not to master sin.
When you try to understand with your corrupted mind, you will reach nefarious conclusions. You will need to give up your soul in order to gain it.In my understanding, the whole concept of original sin is flawed.
All sin is guilt ridden, for that is why forgiveness is needed. It is not an isolated Augustine thing.If I recall, the guilt concept began with St Augustines writings. But that may have been some of the ones he recanted later.
Christians in the east do associate guilt with Adam's sin in that if you do not accept God's salvation from being born into this sin, you will be most guilty.The east doesn't associate guilt with Adams sin. Sin is merely missing the mark, as created beings we do that.
No. This is real faith.The blood on the doorposts simply represented (token) faith.
Exoldus 12:13 does not say mean token as a minimalist thing, but "The blood shall be a sign for you" (v.13 RSV, ESV, Darby, Youngs, NIV and NLT agree). Be careful with old KJV language otherwise you will misunderstanding its meaning.As Exodus 12:13 says, "a token" and "when I SEE" it I will pass over you.
For those who by faith accept the precious blood on the doorposts and lentils of their hearts shall be saved.To me this is a type in that Christ also came looking for "faith".
He finds it in every century."............ Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
There is guilt offerings in the OT and sacrifices. A seared conscience senses no guilt, denying the sins one commits.This is true. In the context of the West, however, it really got turbocharged with Aquinas via Anslem.
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