The Cheating Classmate....

ElizaRN · Feb 17, 2015

NWAB said:
Since there are no witnesses other than yourself I suggest doing it like this.

Go to her and let her know what you seen and ask her if she needs help with the subject. Let her answer be the end of the drama.

Who really cares anyway, I cheated my way through half of college. People have to do what they have to do in order to survive.

Not everybody has good studying habits and they have to get by as they know best to do so.

Is it fair that God gave some people great memories and high IQ's so they do not have to study all the time.

Heck, I had one teacher that passed me only so she did not have to deal with me twice.

Can you blame a starving man for stealing food? NO you cant! Then why can you blame a dumb person for cheating to make it?

Would you entrust your life and/or health to a doctor or nurse that cheated their way through school because they were "dumb" and just trying to make it through? I realize in the OP's case it is a music class, but still. The point of college is to gain knowledge and skill to do a profession. If you cheat your way through are you qualified?

I do like the idea of approaching the girl and asking her if she would like help studying the material. I think that is a good middle ground between having to tell on her or doing nothing about the situation.

Messy · Feb 17, 2015

ElizaRN said:
Would you entrust your life and/or health to a doctor or nurse that cheated their way through school because they were "dumb" and just trying to make it through? I realize in the OP's case it is a music class, but still. The point of college is to gain knowledge and skill to do a profession. If you cheat your way through are you qualified?

I do like the idea of approaching the girl and asking her if she would like help studying the material. I think that is a good middle ground between having to tell on her or doing nothing about the situation.

He's a doctor but not with people lol.
Half of the stuff you learn for nothing, no wait in my case 80 %.

Cute Tink · Feb 17, 2015

vanillaicecream said:
I don't know. Moral obligation?
Some people can't actually go to sleep with stuff like this.

I couldn't. I was tempted many times during school, but I wouldn't do it. I would rather have gotten an honest F than an A from cheating.

MassiCo · Feb 17, 2015

I would not tell the teacher. I'd simply offer to help her study.

MehGuy · Feb 17, 2015

I would report her to the authorities. Hopefully they will expel this dame from the school and she will wind up homeless.

That's the only justice I can see here.

Bobthemotorcycle · Feb 17, 2015

Throw a pie in her face as she is walking down the hallway, justice served.

Actually all I can suggest is what the bible tells us.

I believe it is written that if you have a claim against somebody to go to them and tell them and hope that it works out.

If they do not listen take her in front of a witness and make your claim and hope it gets worked out there.

If that does not work out then go in front of the teacher and make your claim with the accused there with you.

I may be off on this suggestion as my mind is not what it once was so others may want to add their translation to my post.

I do kind of like the pie in the face thing though. Throw it in her face and then get up in her face and yell "POP QUIZ, WHAT WAS THAT FOR?"

Actually go with they way the bible tells us to deal with stuff.

MehGuy · Feb 17, 2015

May the dogs gnarl on her tattered homeless clothes!

graciesings · Feb 17, 2015

Cute Tink said:
I couldn't. I was tempted many times during school, but I wouldn't do it. I would rather have gotten an honest F than an A from cheating.

This is me.

graciesings · Feb 17, 2015

quietpraiyze said:
This is so not true. You made this up!

The Word also speaks about not being a partaker of other men's sins....

The Op saw it. Maybe she was supposed to see it and do something. We don't know. What we know is that it bothered her enough to make a thread. Many times people co-sign wrong or evil with their silence. It's not until someone stands up in courage and say's NO you can't do that that the person is exposed and stopped. How many times have heard stories of individuals doing wrong only to find out people saw stuff all along and never said a word. So that person just went on to later destroy other people's lives?

No you might not say something but it doesn't mean she shouldn't....

Exactly.... I don't want to cooperate with something I regard as morally wrong. At the same time, I want to be gracious with her, but I also want to be fair to my other classmates (who may be doing their work honestly and then getting lower grades than her.)

graciesings · Feb 17, 2015

Messy said:
That's different. If she's in her last year to become a surgeon and does it all the time so people's lifes would be in danger it would be better to tell it.
This is about a quiz in a music class, lol. Oh that makes me think of my uncle, he's a music professor in the States. If she'd tell him he couldn't care less. Frits De Jonge at University of South Carolina - RateMyProfessors.com Give her a tip to go to him, she'll get her diploma without doing anything.

"This is the best and easiest class ever. I hate music and he made me like it. He is very quiet but he likes to makes dirty jokes. We walked in to take the finals and just gave us all A's. No test or anything. If you can't pass this class with an A, then you must be stupid because it was SOO easy"

"You can be brain dead and make an A in this class, rarley takes attendance and you mainly watch movies and write critiques he does not even read. Easy easy A"

This is not a music appreciation class, lol.... It's a music theory class for serious music students and it's known to be one of the hardest subjects music majors have to take. There are tests and they are hard.

Cute Tink said:
For the record, a confession without corroborating evidence will not stand up in court. In your examples, the police won't even be able to prove the crime itself even happened.

However, what you are suggesting is that you cannot turn people in because you are not perfect. That's a huge standard to set.

What I will give you is that if she were to turn someone in for cheating then she better not ever cheat on a test, as that would make her a hypocrite.

I don't cheat. Period. She actually set her notes up where I could see them, and I didn't look....

Also, I want to clarify that I didn't know the answers to this section if the quiz. So helping her study for it would be a long shot. And yes, I was tempted to look at her notes.

But it isn't fair if we both would have failed, and then she doesn't because she cheated, but I do....

graciesings · Feb 17, 2015

NWAB said:
Since there are no witnesses other than yourself I suggest doing it like this.

Go to her and let her know what you seen and ask her if she needs help with the subject. Let her answer be the end of the drama.

Who really cares anyway, I cheated my way through half of college. People have to do what they have to do in order to survive.

Not everybody has good studying habits and they have to get by as they know best to do so.

Is it fair that God gave some people great memories and high IQ's so they do not have to study all the time.

Heck, I had one teacher that passed me only so she did not have to deal with me twice.

Can you blame a starving man for stealing food? NO you cant! Then why can you blame a dumb person for cheating to make it?

That isn't a very reasonable argument, IMO. if she doesn't know how to study, she can learn how. It's not fair for someone who doesn't understand the material to get the same degree as a person who does, even if the person who doesn't is stupid and it's genetic and not their fault.

I have a high IQ but I still have to study my butt off in this class (and a couple others) so.... Yeah. She can too, if she wants to make good grades.

graciesings · Feb 17, 2015

Cute Tink said:
If you feel you must tell the teacher, then you have another option - drop off an anonymous letter letting the teacher know that there is a student who cheated on the quiz. You don't really have to name names or even identify yourself, but that way the teacher can watch the students more closely during the next quiz.

I think this idea wins, really.

I may also offer to study with the girl, although I expect her to turn the offer down....

Bobthemotorcycle · Feb 17, 2015

graciesings said:
That isn't a very reasonable argument, IMO. if she doesn't know how to study, she can learn how. It's not fair for someone who doesn't understand the material to get the same degree as a person who does, even if the person who doesn't is stupid and it's genetic and not their fault.

I have a high IQ but I still have to study my butt off in this class (and a couple others) so.... Yeah. She can too, if she wants to make good grades.

But what of my other answers, you do not touch on the bible based ones.

graciesings · Feb 17, 2015

I don't think it would be evil or malicious for me to talk with the teacher about this issue. In fact, I think it would be better for everyone in the long run.

As far as what the Bible says about this, the Bible says not to bear false witness and it says not to lie....

quietpraiyze · Feb 17, 2015

graciesings said:
Exactly.... I don't want to cooperate with something I regard as morally wrong. At the same time, I want to be gracious with her, but I also want to be fair to my other classmates (who may be doing their work honestly and then getting lower grades than her.)

There was a post deleted because the person was in the wrong forum but this was what she mentioned. I think she said how it didn't just involve you but how this person's cheating was unfair to all your classmates as well.

I hope you resolve the situation in a way that gives you peace.

Zach91 · Feb 17, 2015

Nah, don't snitch. While what she did wasn't right, she didn't cause any harm to you. Focus on your own study habits, and self-improvement. Eventually this person will get herself caught, and the situation will resolve itself. If you really feel the need to take action, confront her about it and scare her, but don't snitch.

High Fidelity · Feb 18, 2015

It's a quiz. Chances are it carries no weight anyway.

Messy · Feb 18, 2015

graciesings said:
I don't think it would be evil or malicious for me to talk with the teacher about this issue. In fact, I think it would be better for everyone in the long run.

As far as what the Bible says about this, the Bible says not to bear false witness and it says not to lie....

and not to suffer as a busybody, don't complain when you suffer because you did it, it's good and noble to think cheating is bad and don't do it yourself, but you can't force that on someone else. I would only care about how that would make them think about me and God, I prefer someone gets saved because I show mercy.

Messy · Feb 18, 2015

graciesings said:
Exactly.... I don't want to cooperate with something I regard as morally wrong. At the same time, I want to be gracious with her, but I also want to be fair to my other classmates (who may be doing their work honestly and then getting lower grades than her.)

Understandable, but they didn't ask you to be the class cop. That is something the teacher has to do. If he doesn't she's lucky. Just like with people driving too fast. It's not your task or responsibility.
Spill the beans is considered much worse here than cheating.

vanillaicecream · Feb 18, 2015

Gracie is just asking for advice. We can all give our own versions of the "correct" or "proper" thing to do, but at the end of the day it's still her life and her choice. Who are we to shove down her throat our "suggestions" anyway?
We don't even know each other in real life.
So just CHILL people.

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