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3.999999... = 4 so 2+2 = both 3.9 recurring and 4.Indeed. Allso if memory serves me correctly, 2+2 actualy equals 3.99999(9)
I thought someone might bring up something like that.Depends on the base system.
I thought someone might bring up something like that.
The phrase was used in context of a different state universe, and the differing speeds of two star's light.Perhaps you need to explain what a "formula for light" is? Is that something to do with baby milk?
That might be what you call infinity. Baby math.No. It is a behaviour. It describes the behaviour of the function 1/x as x approaches zero. The behaviour being, precisely, that for any number you pick, no matter how large, you can always get 1/x to be bigger than that number by picking x close enough to zero.
Well, that is one in bowl definition, I suppose. Hardly something that holds the full concept and meaning of infinity.I do know what it is - I've just described one definition, right there.
Numbers represent stuff in our temporal universe. I kid you not.i = (-1)^(1/2), actually.
The problem is, dad, that numbers aren't in our universe. Numbers aren't anywhere. You can't change numbers by changing the universe.
And concepts represented in a higher state is higher math.Maths is maths.
A different universe is of course abstract from a temporal one.So the only way to get an infinite real number is by changing the definition. But the definition is not something in the universe. It is an abstract construct.
How would you kn--?And you would kn-- oh, yeah, once again, you see - you wouldn't.
Good. Who says it can?? Simple math applies in heaven as well.The point is that 2+2 can never not equal four.
Yes, any modest look into the topic will uncover a reliance on same state past decay dating assumptions as the foundation of the dates. Which is balderdash.You have never shown any evidence that standard archeological dates are off by the thousands of years you need them to be off for your mythology to be correct.
Likely not as we now know it.What a statement to come from a guy who says there was no gravity before the flood,
Speculation, not a position.talks about time running backwards,
posted a thread on the earth not rotating and expects to spend eternity in a city of transparent gold
Bible 101.
I had said something more like going to a concert. But, since I admit that there is sex in heaven, far as I know, some childish poster figures that boinking is the name of the game there.boiking Marilyn Monroe and other famous beauties
and says that Elvis may be residing in the moon.
If New Jerusalem was in there. But I also pointed out that the moon was a bit too small for that, as we know the dimensions of it. Unless the city was to grow over the millennium, of course. But, that aside, the astronauts experienced a strong spiritual impact there. In some cases profoundly changing their lives. So, some sort of spiritual accomodation there is very likely.
The bible, and limits of science are backing aplenty.You have nothing but wild ideas and have never backed up any of them.
I haven't heard that many bible believers claim that. Ever wonder why??? As far as the confused folks, why, I don't care if they get things muddled. long as they start to think about what they were spoon fed all their lives.No wonder some people still think you are an "evolutionist" trying to make YEC look silly. Whether you are trying or not you are certainly succeeding.
I will tell you this. 2 and 2 is four. Wasting time on in bowl mental gymnastics aside from that isn't of any value. One might as well ride the horsie.So, do tell, how many other base systems will 2+2 not equal 4?
Do you you know what base system 2+2 = 11 is in?
Do you know what base system 2+2 = 10 is in?
(This is a fun math exercise!)
I will tell you this. 2 and 2 is four. Wasting time on in bowl mental gymnastics aside from that isn't of any value. One might as well ride the horsie.
I thought someone might bring up something like that.
but this speculation would be against your beliefs, because it's not in the bible and it would be sex that doesn't lead to reproduction - this is of course one of your reasons for hating gay sex, but I don't see the same venom.....I had said something more like going to a concert. But, since I admit that there is sex in heaven, far as I know, some childish poster figures that boinking is the name of the game there.
The phrase was used in context of a different state universe, and the differing speeds of two star's light.
That might be what you call infinity. Baby math.
Well, that is one in bowl definition, I suppose. Hardly something that holds the full concept and meaning of infinity.
Numbers represent stuff in our temporal universe. I kid you not.
And concepts represented in a higher state is higher math.
A different universe is of course abstract from a temporal one.
How would you kn--?
Good. Who says it can?? Simple math applies in heaven as well.
The point is that 2+2 can never not equal four.
Actually, Supernova 1987A didn't just turn on; if we looked at that spot in the sky before then we would have seen a star. No supernova blinking into existance. So dad's completely wrong there, we didn't just see the light from it in 1987, 1987 was only when the post-supernova light reached us.
yes, but it wouldn't appear uniform because it predates your state change. thus far, you've agreed that the distant universe is a window of sorts to your past state. you can't have it both ways.But, if light was non uniform in speed, and the new state came, why, it would then be uniform, would it not?
i'm not saying that your theories are impossible, just that they're wacky even by creationist standardsWell, if you knew a bit about it, why you might realize that mounting a bible case against the concept is pretty well near impossible, far as I can tell.
i'm picking up something on the ironimeter, whatever it is it's hugeWild ideas don't interest me
it's getting closerwhat interests me is facts
CLOSERand evidence
whew it's goneand bible basis
philosophy is more complicated than you give it credit for! you can even work in some facts and logic if you likeMonks arguing over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, or philosophers arguing over how many singularities can fir on the head of a pin I find silly, and time wasting.
you're not very familiar with dad, are youRight, I'm seriously wondering if dad has any understanding at all of stellar evolution and what caused Supernova 1987A to explode in in the first place. I took a class in astronomy in both high school and college. All the claims that dad has made up to this point aren't based in reality at all, especially his claim that the earth stands still. I thought that was settled centuries ago where it was firmly established that we live in a heliocentric solar system, as are all of the extrasolar planetary systems which have been discovered since 1995. The sun, any sun, is the center...there's no variation in that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protostar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_spectroscopy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis
I think you are the one that asked what a deceiver was? If so, I am not a dictionary, you tell us???? I usually think of it in terms of this.I hate to be pushy about this dad but can I pretty pretty please with sugar on top have that definition?
I could either google it, or waste 10 years in school figuring that sort of thing out. But, since I find it a waste of time to get headaches over temporal bx math of no importance, why bother? But, as always you like to try to present yourself as clever, and leaned, and above us mere mortals.That was kinda mean of me. I knew you wouldn't know. I just wanted to see if you might.
Can you explain how any of that matters in the least to anyone??Since in any given "Base" system the number of the base doesn't show up except as a "10" then any base in which 4 isn't represented can only be bases 4,3,2,1! But neither base 2 nor base 1 can have the number "2", so it's on in base 3 and base 4 that 2+2 can equal something other than 4.
Ah, so it was not about me, or the topic, but as usual, about you, and showing, you think how smart you are. OK.So 4 doesn't show up as a "number" until you get to base 5!
In base 4, we have the digit "2", so 2+2 = 10 (because 4 is shown by the number 10 in base 4!)
In base 3, 2+2 = 11.
The fun thing about bases can be seen here. The right most digit is the base raised to the power of zero, so it can either be 0 or 1. In the case of base 3 the leftmost digit is the base raised to the power 1, so 11 is really 3 + 1 = 4 (in base 10).
Isn't that fun? (If anyone wants to cover fractional bases, that'd be neat as well!)
Remember way back in post #304 where you said:
So I just thought I'd teach you some more fun math stuff that related to the conversation.
No. No more than a recently used outhouse, why??(Don't get mad and post funny pictures to insult me, I am teaching you math you probably haven't seen before. In most regular tracks in school they cover bases in elementary school, but you might have forgotten or maybe when you were tracked off into the other classes they didn't cover this stuff. Isn't it interesting?
And mental gymnastics is how smart people get smart.
Actually, I would say it makes them conceited, condescending pussheads, but, hey, what do I know??They exercise their brain and learn new and interesting things. It makes the better people and more fun to talk to!)
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