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well that's the difference. People today, to remove accountability, say those kinds of things. "Hey, don't judge me!" or they definitely love the "cast the first stone" approach. But we're not talking about real judgement. Real judgement is if I picked up a literal stone to kill you because of your sin. That is judging you. Not calling one out, not holding someone accountable, not approaching them with love and gentleness and helping them see what they are doing is wrong. That is not judgement.
 
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well there's someone posting in this thread who doesn't think he's sinning. Maybe deep down inside he knows he is, but on the outside he says he's not. Then wants to fight everyone when they even bring up the topic, so maybe he's trying to convince himself.
 
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letting someone have unrepentant sin in their lives without saying anything is not love. I'm sorry. I'm tired of people say it's hate or bigotry (in the case of homosexuals) if you say something or bring up their sin. You don't gain salvation unless you repent of your sins. Embracing them is not the way to go and love isn't accepting someone's sin.
 
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Okay. As far as I can see, nobody here is saying that anyone should literally 'pry' into another person's private life in order to sniff out any sins that they may judge that person on. So yes, someone's private life is their business. However, if a particular sin in someone's (neighbor, family member, friend, ect.) life is brought to your attention and you sense the distinct feeling that it has been made known to you for the specific reason to go 'talk' to that person about it, then yes, you are obligated to do so. Whether that person likes it or not is neither here nor there. We're not responsible for other peoples' reactions, we're responsible to ourselves and God to obey Him.

If this wasn't the case, then why do you think there is the verse "Faithful are the wounds of a friend..." (Prov. 27:6a)
 
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I'm not sure what's so wrong with judging anyway? I'm a little rusty on my Bible, but aren't Christians basically encouraged to judge in several different parts of the Bible, in Matthew and Timothy. You judge whether a profit is false by his "fruit", IE bad fruit come from bad trees. You judge whether somebody is preaching words that are not godly or wholesome, and you withdraw yourself.

I mean, I get the social pressure at this point not to judge...But that's basically what you're doing if you've examined somebody's actions or behaviors and determined that they are sinning. You're making a judgement. Whether you act on that judgement and call them out (or cast stones at them) is a different matter.

It sounds like when people say "don't judge me", what they mean is "don't call me out" or "don't criticize me". That's a pretty common thing to say in non-Christian circles too, usually in jest. Do something goofy or weird and "Don't judge me!" interprets to "don't make fun of me!".
 
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I don't see the point in being permanently celibate.

In truth, my primary desire is to give pleasure, not receive it.

So going my whole life without ever satiating my own lusts is not that big a deal, as it's not very important to me. It makes me sad that so many secular young men view women as an object to validate their warped concept of manhood, and nothing more
 
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Yeah, the Bible does not ask Christians to suspend all judgement. It does say that they shouldn't judge people self-righteously or in a condemning manner. I really don't see how a person could love people or even make it through life without executing some kind of moral judgement on a regular basis.

The NT also very clearly tells Christians to rebuke fellow Christians or call them out if they see them doing something immoral.
 
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