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I do not see how any such things described as a 'deity' could exist, outside of books and stories. There - the impossible is possible.<snip>
It is impossible to be an "atheist", "atheism" does not exist.
In the absence of evidence that any such things described as a 'deity' could exist, I don't see any reason to believe.you cannot prove it, there is no evidence to completely not believe.
This has yet to be shown.when it is shown that it is impossible for an intelligent creator not to exist from an evolutionary standpoint, it is then completely impossible for God not to exist.
God is a character in a book. I am sure of that.either a person acknowledges God, doesn't know, is unsure, or blatantly denies him.
Personal experience can be deceptive.I am a Christian because of my personal experience,
Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.and because the scientific, historical, and logical evidence all points to Christianity, to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit... God.
a swing and a miss - I never said you had not done so.Threads?
It only takes one post to pwn you...
Is that not like bragging about how many times you have been somewhere - say, Disneyland - and it is later revealed that you spend your days running through the turnstiles?... and speaking of posts: Posts: 2,235,689.
And how has that been working out for you?But to humor myself, qv please: 1
At first I was like...Threads?
It only takes one post to pwn you ... and speaking of posts: Posts: 2,235,689.
But to humor myself, qv please: 1
Do you have a question for me, Davian? if not, let me repeat myself:a swing and a miss - I never said you had not done so.
Is that not like bragging about how many times you have been somewhere - say, Disneyland - and it is later revealed that you spend your days running through the turnstiles?
And how has that been working out for you?
I think you are holding the wrong end of the 'pwning' stick.
Does that bother you?You're not going to get evidence for creationism.
Did you bother to read any other creation myths? How is the Bible better than the Zoroastrian creation myth (which doesn't blame the entire existence of evil in the world on the human race, in the masochistic way that Christians enjoy)?
If it is impossible to to be an atheist, why do you have to immediately say you are a Christian, and therefore demonstrate you believe in a God?
If you have to define yourself as something that is not an atheist, it is clearly the case that you admit to yourself that atheism is entirely possible, because you feel the need to justify your own position against a position you claim doesn't exist.
Also since atheism is simply the lack of belief in a God, how is that impossible? I lack belief in Bigfoot. Is that impossible? It's easy to lack belief in something for which there is no evidence.
Incidentally, why do you need evidence for your faith? If you need evidence, then your faith is weak. Did you not read the story of Thomas?
Does non-stamp collecting exist? Is not smoking a habit? Does not running a marathon make me a distance runner?Now your changing the definition of "atheism", "atheist" completely deny God's existence, that isn't a lack of belief. an "agnostic" is someone who lacks belief or is unsure. therefore again... "atheism" doesn't exist.
Now your changing the definition of "atheism", "atheist" completely deny God's existence, that isn't a lack of belief. an "agnostic" is someone who lacks belief or is unsure. therefore again... "atheism" doesn't exist.
Did you see the Johari window someone posted on that awhile back?Atheism can be broken down into two "flavors"
1. Strong atheists say "There is no God"
2. Weak atheists say "I see no reason to believe that God exists"
Does non-stamp collecting exist?
Is not smoking a habit? Does not running a marathon make me a distance runner?
Atheism is the default position. You want me to believe in your god, prove it exists.
Did you see the Johari window someone posted on that awhile back?
The mathematical argument used there boils down to "the odds of genes being formed are the same as the works of Shakespeare being formed by a random letter generator - virtually impossible". The premise of the argument is false, so the conclusion is unsound."evolution" is a faith. the chances of it happening are impossible. the proof? since the character limit doesn't allow me to copy and paste the whole thing,
on mathematics of evolution .com on chapter 15 and icr.org article entitled, The Mathematical Impossibility Of Evolution
1) There is no evidence the universe had a beginning. If you disagree, cite your evidence.The Universe has a beginning(most scientist agree), it is not infinite thus logically something must of brought it into existence that has always existed and is uncaused. logically that first uncaused cause is, God.
I don't think you know what 'thus' means. Anyway, you've yet to demonstrate that the Earth could not have formed by natural processes. There is a strong body of evidence that demonstrates beyond all reasonable doubt that the Earth formed by the accretion of an interstellar dust cloud, the remnant of a star that had gone supernova. This is evident in, for example, the abundance and distribution of elements in the Earth and the solar system.Because again, no random act could've created this earth, has to be something intelligent. thus that first uncaused cause is intelligent, thus it is God.
First, you've yet to provide any substance to your continual claim that evolution is mathematically impossible - even the article you cite doesn't say it's mathematically impossible, only improbable.Because again, no random act could've created this earth, has to be something intelligent. thus that first uncaused cause is intelligent, thus it is God. saying that it would happen randomly and accidentally for the sake of it would reply on faith not fact. it is a fact that this earth has intelligent design, and since it has that, logically it must have an intelligent designer, God. to say otherwise would rely on mere faith, that's why "atheism" is nothing but a faith. when it is logically and mathematically impossible for "evolution" to have occurred, and you say otherwise, then that is just relying on faith and not fact.
Of course I do, I'd be a fool if I didn't. But let's not go into the tired old argument of, "Oh, you're an atheist, therefore you say there is no God! That's faith".So you admit God's existence is possible.
Fantastic, on top of your previous six core falsehoods, you've now made a seventh:face it, only one and one way only that all those logically and mathematically impossibilities(as explained above) would have occurred is if God made it happen, that is the only way "evolution" can be logical. So again, either God made the earth the way he did in the bible(which is the most logical and possible) or he guided the evolution.(the only logical way evolution happened is with God)
That is why I am a Young Earth Creationist, God creating the earth the way he says in The Bible makes the most logical, possible and scientific sense.
No, irreducible complexity shows all or nothing. an accident statistically cannot make something so complex and this is common sense.
No, it isn't. If you think it is, then you don't understand what evolution is. It would be more accurate to say that evolution is like a pencil writing 43 random letters on a line, then repeating that series of letters onto the next line, with some minor mistakes. Any letters that happen to be in the right place for "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", those letters are 'locked'. After only a few 'generations', this system of reproduction and imperfect inheritance with an external selection process, will create, from randomly generated letters, a coherent sentence."evolution" is like saying a pencil can magically scribble itself on a paper until it forms a proper sentence, that would never happen.
*sigh* How about this: instead of leaping to the conclusion, you just ask a question. Makes for a better discussion; you come off as a frantic terrier.Me sacrificing myself for a loved one, for love doesn't have anything at all to do with survival of fittest. that would actually be the complete opposite, in no way would that keep us surviving. to deny that we all have obligated objective morals and love that we live by and to say that they evolved from "survival of the fittest" when they in no way help us survive is illogical and relies wholly on faith.
What prevents me from breaking my morals? Simple: my morals. That's what they are. Everyone has their own instinctive senses of these nebulous concepts of what's 'right' and what's 'wrong', and these can be tempered or exaggerated through culture.see this is where you rely on faith to imply that the reason rape is wrong is because it "destroys parent bond" , that is not why it is wrong and you know it. I assume you have morals, so i ask you, do you feel rape is wrong? and if you do(hopefully you do because it is wrong) why is it wrong to you? if you think morals aren't objective and that nothing matters, what prevents you from not breaking morals?
Naturally, and I would agree with you, but why do you think you feel it's sickening, abusive, traumatising, and pure evil? The answer is that we have evolved that way.If you say you think rape is wrong because of "evolution" and "destroys parent bonds" then I would be really shocked. I'm sure you know better than that, I'm sure you know rape is wrong because it's sickening, abuse, traumatizing, and just pure evil.
And no one's trying to defend rape. I'll thank you not to accuse me of something so wicked.If someone were to rape a loved one, I would get sad because the person I love was violated, hurt, abused, and I wouldn't want to see anyone suffer that. not because it "decreases parent bond" or because society says so but because plain and simple, it is sick. no way anyone can defend rape and murder unless they are twisted.
Your only objection to an evolutionary explanation for our sense of morals is that you 'feel' it's wrong, you just 'knew' it was wrong. In other words, you have an instinctive reaction.How? that's actually true. as explained, "evolution" doesn't explain morals. the facts are morals go beyond us, we don't control them. if I felt regret for doing something wrong, "evolution" would not, and could not explain it. the fact would be, I feel bad for doing something wrong because I knew it was wrong, you rely on faith, that takes all logic out the window, that "evolution" would explain morals when it simple cannot.
You've yet to explain why morals are objective - your only objection is that... well, you don't like the alternative.Sorry but "evolution" doesn't have any logical explanation on morality, none. doesn't explain where morals come from, doesn't explain why there are objective morals. they only assume that morals aren't objective or created for survival (which they are not as I explained)
Now your changing the definition of "atheism", "atheist" completely deny God's existence, that isn't a lack of belief. an "agnostic" is someone who lacks belief or is unsure. therefore again... "atheism" doesn't exist.
Not at all. Repeat yourself as often as you see fit.Do you have a question for me, Davian? if not, let me repeat myself:
Does that bother you?You're not going to get evidence for creationism.
You can believe some people present [not very good] evidence if you want to.It is just not very good evidence.
You can believe some people present [not very good] evidence if you want to.
I happen to believe there is no evidence, because none was generated.
Here's my first post in this thread: 10
Which is why no one really cares what you believe, as if beliefs are somehow important or relevant to reality. Of course one should always strive to contstruct their beliefs to best model reality. Which is, admittedly, something you have trouble with because you choose to believe that which has no evidence or basis in reality.You can believe some people present [not very good] evidence if you want to.
I happen to believe there is no evidence, because none was generated.
Here's my first post in this thread: 10
LOL -- those who don't believe me will go through life looking and asking for something they'll never find.Which is why no one really cares what you believe, as if beliefs are somehow important or relevant to reality.
LOL -- like that one time when we asked for evidence for god, and you know, there wasn't any --LOLLOL -- those who don't believe me will go through life looking and asking for something they'll never find.
I've been here six years, and I've see the same person asked over and over for evidence of the Creation event.
So don't believe me, if you don't want to; but you'll go the rest of your life asking for something you'll never get.
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