The Baptism of Fire

Mr. M · May 29, 2020

1 Corinthians 10:
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
Paul here describes two baptisms of the entire congregation of Israel. Water and Spirit?
Note that he uses the term 'passed through' for a baptism. More than one way to be immersed.
I can remember walking through a fog bank. Kind of surreal, and definitely soaking.
So, 'passing through' fire can be a baptism also.

Lazarus Short · May 29, 2020

dqhall said:
Definition of Ore Refining by Fire

A prospector friend put crushed copper-gold ore in a crucible, then into a small backyard blast furnace. The mixture melted in the crucible. After it cooled, the slag was at the top of the crucible and a metal lump was at the bottom. The crucible was broken with a hammer. He hit the vitreous slag with a hammer and recovered the metal lump. A further refining process extracted a yellow button from the mixed metal lump.

Not sure if this is of any use to you, only offering a definition of refining and dross.

That's useful information, but I expect that just as God's ways and thoughts are far above ours, His methods of refining are far above that of the prospector/miner/smelter of this Earth. I did a long word study of "fire" and related words, and found among other things, that God describes Himself as a refiner many times in His Word, and once as Soap.

martymonster · May 29, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Is this the fire that will try everyone's works? On That Day?

1 Corinthians 3:15. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved,
yet so as through fire.

Will anything pass through the fire, but the fruit of the Spirit?

Anything that is flesh (the weak and beggarly elements) will not abide the fire.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Only after we die, may we eat of the tree of life, which is Christ.

dqhall · May 29, 2020

Lazarus Short said:
That's useful information, but I expect that just as God's ways and thoughts are far above ours, His methods of refining are far above that of the prospector/miner/smelter of this Earth. I did a long word study of "fire" and related words, and found among other things, that God describes Himself as a refiner many times in His Word, and once as Soap.

God knows how to refine. He melted the roots of mountains turning rock into magma and lava:

Micah 1:4 (WEB) The mountains melt under him, and the valleys split apart, like wax before the fire, like waters that are poured down a steep place.“

I do not think of God as soap. I may not wash away the lust and anger of the world with soap and water.

Is God far above? Where should one look for God?

Matthew 24 (WEB):
23 “Then if any man tells you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There!’ don’t believe it.
24 For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.
25 “Behold, I have told you beforehand.
26 “If therefore they tell you, ‘Behold, he is in the wilderness,’ don’t go out; or ‘Behold, he is in the inner rooms,’ don’t believe it.
27 For as the lightning flashes from the east, and is seen even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28 For wherever the carcass is, that is where the vultures gather together.

Phil W · May 29, 2020

Lazarus Short said:
The dross, tares, chaff, wood, hay and stubble will NOT pass through the Fire. God is a refiner, and He burns away all that is not acceptable to Him. These things are not classes of people, for we all have dross, etc. within us, goats and sheep alike.

Speak for yourself.
Jesus has freed some of us from sinning. (John 8:32-34, Rom 6:7)
The chaff and stubble ARE people.

martymonster · May 30, 2020

Phil W said:
Speak for yourself.
Jesus has freed some of us from sinning. (John 8:32-34, Rom 6:7)
The chaff and stubble ARE people.

The dross, etc, are both people and the flesh within each of us.

Phil W · May 30, 2020

martymonster said:
The dross, etc, are both people and the flesh within each of us.

It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
They that are Christ's don't have "flesh" to worry about.
It was crucified with Christ.

BABerean2 · May 30, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
The baptism of fire, what is it? When does it occur?

During the time of Daniel the three Hebrew men who refused to bow down to the image were baptized by fire. They were protected by the fourth man in the fire with them.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know Him.

In 2 Peter 3:10-13 this earth is going to be "burned up" and "dissolved" on the day of the Lord, when He comes as a thief.

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Mr. M · May 30, 2020

BABerean2 said:
During the time of Daniel the three Hebrew men who refused to bow down to the image were baptized by fire. They were protected by the fourth man in the fire with them.

Daniel 3:7. So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

A foreshadowing?
Revelations 7:9. After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
V. 14; So he said to me, These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

martymonster · May 30, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Daniel 3:7. So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

A foreshadowing?
Revelations 7:9. After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
V. 14; So he said to me, These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The shadow of Daniel 3, is not a good thing.

Marumorose · May 30, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Matthew 3:11. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Luke 3:16. John answered, saying to all, I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

The disciples of Jesus Christ were baptized with the Holy Spirit.
They laid hands on new converts who received the Holy Spirit.
The baptism of fire, what is it? When does it occur?

If you are righteous, you receive the Holy Spirit who is our helper. You are blessed.
If you are unrighteous, you are burned by the fire. You are cursed.

Matthew 3:12 says "His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

God Bless

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